From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Oct 24 7:54:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from Millions.Ca (h-207-228-120-32.gen.cadvision.com [207.228.120.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD8937B479 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 07:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by Millions.Ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA15453; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:54:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stacy@Millions.CA) Received: from Oak.Millions.Ca(192.168.64.1) via SMTP by mail-gw-0.millions.ca, id smtpdm15451; Tue Oct 24 08:54:04 2000 Received: from Millions.CA (Maple.Millions.Ca [192.168.64.2]) by oak.millions.ca (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA12166; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:54:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <39F5A28B.BB3F3708@Millions.CA> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:54:03 -0600 From: Stacy Millions Organization: Millions Consulting Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Scott D. Yelich" Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Who broke "ls" in FreeBSD? and why? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Scott D. Yelich" wrote: > > Sorry, I can't hold back any longer: > > -A List all entries except for `.' and `..'. Always set for > the super-user. > > Would someone please be so kind as to explain to me the rationale behind > that? Why should a user or script have to be forced to get dot files > just because it's running under uid 0? This seems to really have a > major impact on portable scripts ... they have a chance to be dangerous > under FreeBSD now -- due to this setting. The rational for what? Why -A is always set for the super-user or why ls doesn't show files that start with a '.' > Why is FreeBSD trying to be like 'blows where it tries to think for the > user? Only, it's much worse than that as there doesn't appear to be a > way to override this setting. > > This doesn't appear to be the default forGNU ls, so who "broke" this? It has been a *nix convention to "hide" files by starting them with a '.' since the first *nix I ever saw (that would be V6). Hence a .profile (I know it is there I don't need to see it every time I do an ls) Since when is the "GNU way" the "right way"? And what on earth does any of this have to do with FreeBSD Mobile? And why am I adding to it? :-) -stacy -- Nothing spoils fun like finding out it builds character. - Calvin Stacy Millions stacy@millions.ca Millions Consulting Limited To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message