From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 4 15:33:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24635 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:33:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24558; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:33:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA27455; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:33:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA04941; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:33:03 -0600 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:33:03 -0600 Message-Id: <199806042233.QAA04941@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Mike Smith Cc: Nate Williams , dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernfs/procfs questions... In-Reply-To: <199806042123.OAA02195@dingo.cdrom.com> References: <199806042222.QAA04845@mt.sri.com> <199806042123.OAA02195@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I argue shouldn't be exposed to the users then. If it's exposed, it > > should be documented. In other words, sysctl should go away since very > > few (if any) of it's knobs are documented except accidentally. > > You aren't clear *which* sysctl should go away. If you mean sysctl(8), I > hope you will be removing gdb, nm, hexdump, etc. as well, as these are > all user-unfriendly tools designed for studying and/or adjusting the > state of complex, undocumented things. But users aren't expected to use gdb/nm/hexdump, but sysctl is. Many of these parameters *should* be tweaked to get better performance, avoid errors, etc... > sysctl(8) is a tool for writing scripts, and performing tasks which > have been previously documented. It is not a user-friendly interface, > however it still exists to serve a purpose. What tasks have been documented that are used by sysctl? Tell me where 'sysctl -w net.inet.tcp.rfc13230=0' is documented. (And, no I don't consider it's presence in rc.network documentation. :() Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message