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[174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a20sm4967774qkg.61.2021.03.19.11.04.55 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 19 Mar 2021 11:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (zeus.seibercom.net [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F2Bcl2NlTz1y5v for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 14:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 14:04:48 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210319140448.00007521@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <5a8cf0be-646a-a433-2428-9700a47c1bf0@att.net> References: <20210319101040.00005c35@seibercom.net> <6054BE1B.50706@gmail.com> <20210319130249.000042a1@seibercom.net> <5a8cf0be-646a-a433-2428-9700a47c1bf0@att.net> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/6o.7o7vErq45yiXJwyWYtS="; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F2Bcp60CYz3NhK X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=PMlLaZQP; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.26 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2d:from]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2d:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.86)[0.865]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2d:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 18:04:59 -0000 --Sig_/6o.7o7vErq45yiXJwyWYtS= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 11:36:10 -0600, Bob Melson stated: >On 3/19/21 11:02 AM, Jerry wrote: >> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 11:07:07 -0400, Ernie Luzar stated: =20 >>> Matthias Gamsjager wrote: =20 >>>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 at 15:16, Jerry wrote: >>>> =20 >>>>> With the soon-to-be release of version 13 of FreeBSD and the EOL >>>>> of FreeBSD 11.x, I will need to invest in a new OS. Due to >>>>> FreeBSD=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2s unfortunate inability to squash bug >>>>> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D237666, l am >>>>> left with no choice but to seek out a new OS. I need a bare-bones >>>>> system that can run a mail server, Postfix with Dovecot, and a >>>>> few other utilities. >>>>> =20 >>> This sounds like only 2 things. 1. Something in your hardware >>> tower is >>> falling. 2. The way you updated from one release to another >>> something went wrong. >>> >>> I would start with a clean build of release 12.2 using a disk drive >>> on a usb stick. See if problem is still there. If so you have >>> hardware problem and no amount of PR is going to fix that. =20 >>=20 >> There was nothing failing; it was a brand new PC. I have done the >> clean install with both 12.0 and 12.2, with the same results. If you >> actually read through the bug report, you would see that I am not >> the only one with this problem. >>=20 >> Apparently, someone reported that you could rebuild the kernel and >> remove USB3 or something like that, but I have neither the time nor >> inclination to do that, assuming I could do it. >>=20 >> Versions 10 & 11 work fine. This is something that FreeBSD did that >> screwed up the works. Dell is aware of the problem but will do >> nothing to attempt to create a work around for it. They claim it is >> working as specified and every other OS, with the exception of >> FreeBSD works correctly on that system. >>=20 >> I am not going to spend more money to get a system that is happy with >> FreeBSD. I buy what I want and then get an OS that is capable of >> operating on it, not the other way around. In any case, I am thinking >> of either Fedora, Debian or Arch Linux. I was just looking for >> recommendations from anyone who has used those systems. >> =20 >What I'd suggest is that you take a deep breath then ask yourself why=20 >you selected FreeBSD in the first place. If the considerations that=20 >were important then are still important then, maybe, switching OSes is=20 >not the right decision. Sure, there are a lot of alternatives out=20 >there, but if the factors that held at the time of your initial choice=20 >are still valid ... > >I'd also suggest that, if BSD in general is what you're most >comfortable with, you consider either NetBSD or OpenBSD as a possible >replacement. Both share the same roots as FreeBSD but have followed >somewhat different paths to reach their current releases. Each has >its positive points, each has negatives; how those negatives might >affect you is up to you to determine. > >Me, I'm presently running generic 12.2 on a Lenovo Ryzen box with no=20 >problems and have run FreeBSD on various hardware since v2.1. I *was* >- once upon a time - a professional user, now I'm just a happily >retired geek. > >Bob Melson >El Paso, TX I had considered using a different flavor of BSD. I still might. However, I also happen to have a spare HD that I could plug into the system, install Windows 10 Pro and Hyper V and then see if FreeBSD 12.x or newer works correctly. That would only take a short amount of time. I just need to do it at night so I can take the system offline. It probably won't work, but if FreeBSD is isolated from the hardware, it might be all that is needed in the short run. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/6o.7o7vErq45yiXJwyWYtS= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAEBCAAdFiEELeCiu2K+9VmEYYgTgHBP8gv9FXcFAmBU58YACgkQgHBP8gv9 FXcWrgwAhSkdc8cHxiCHXjw3LO2Fp1eddYuYjf/OVWjzc3pFfKDwerIWU4ZIyATt 9AnzbUkEV7OpHxUp7H2Zo0elIzAl7gBCcLCHwCBNTrauctiFS5wy17/7l2AFe4Ce lw2WVfwDn7WtJZh24gbFAQx9vkmJf+Rs5ugnRQBEJiBoDjI3ToBjYi20zM05HYAE ElUQ+IBuXnwxO0VSBI1QenxZ61Zi1H925kpPU9VlUIb/Zuv2hYr+vCYJ6eDJvz+y 0phEbfJobCj/7OyFi/86uTG4pIjvSSseL7Gmt1xu9oyJeNPHRJPTluZ2dpDJOiqm qwUobMjN9k6L8QklBpyDR9bFKADRNUWAz68/SHIut2aE+uWLHkph7Yi0TfwfwEjl M8THfLEvmY91cd66ITC0wU9bcTkRSmgcBLuAd8r+TDC+Lw/gh8ZHZe/Z0xjWVuxO yEwuGw2P4AVPSzbzz02MuldUttxG0hCNjqDMg8R6/+Uq2BbpLBuv20KAD+3nMfXz GuSuVJaD =zdX0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/6o.7o7vErq45yiXJwyWYtS=--