From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jul 11 7:39:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E705337B406; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:39:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from intruder.bmah.org ([24.176.204.87]) by femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010711143941.QFMZ9548.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@intruder.bmah.org>; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:39:41 -0700 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.11.4/8.11.3) id f6BEde062643; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:39:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200107111439.f6BEde062643@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/09/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG, "David Xu" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: vfs.vmiodirenable undocumented In-Reply-To: <1183.994843284@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> References: <1183.994843284@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> Comments: In-reply-to Sheldon Hearn message dated "Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:21:24 +0200." From: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_298942880P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:39:40 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --==_Exmh_298942880P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:24:50 MST, "Bruce A. Mah" wrote: > > > I'm sorry, I missed the part of your message containing the patches to > > fix this problem. > > Bruce, I'm using your message as an example because you're good at > shrugging stuff like this off. :-) :-) > I'm very concerned with the fact that this style of response has become > commonly accepted within the FreeBSD community. While I'm not sure this is a "commonly accepted" response, I agree with you 100% that this would be a Bad Thing (TM). > Yes, we like patches. Yes, in this case the only reason we don't have > what David requested is that nobody's done the work. > > However, there's no need for sarcasm. This response could easily be > reworded as > > Everyone agrees that better sysctl documentation would be great, > but nobody has done the work to provide it. If you'd like to do > the work, check the -hackers archives, where you'll find a few > opinions about how this should be done. In general, I agree with you. If the post I was responding to was the first one of its type I'd seen from David, I wouldn't have responded this way. In fact, when he wrote some text to the effect of "the release notes are bad, they should be like NetBSD", I tried (unsuccessfully) to engage in some dialog to figure out what his concerns were. Several months (and many observed posts later), I'm of the opinion that discouraging David from making "this sucks" posts (without providing any attempt at solutions) would be a Good Thing (TM). Maybe my response should have provided more context, so that people wouldn't *think* that replies like this were (or should be) the norm. Just explaining myself. You're absolutely right that this isn't a good way to reply to people's concerns in the general case. Cheers, Bruce. --==_Exmh_298942880P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 iD8DBQE7TGUs2MoxcVugUsMRAnYPAJ4gdxmbB5k4IJIcgcbjoUcx21DgDwCgyAtd GAPM5BbkuqLaomxVQzyfZDw= =Kqo3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_298942880P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message