From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 02:29:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1010E16A4CE; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 02:29:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from segfault.kiev.ua (segfault.kiev.ua [193.193.193.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB68343D31; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 02:29:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netch@iv.nn.kiev.ua) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by segfault.kiev.ua (8) with UUCP id i2LATU7d002373; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:29:30 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from netch@iv.nn.kiev.ua) Received: (from netch@localhost) by iv.nn.kiev.ua (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) id i2LASN7T005714; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:28:23 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from netch) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:28:23 +0200 From: Valentin Nechayev To: Eivind Eklund Message-ID: <20040321102823.GB4401@iv.nn.kiev.ua> References: <200402040638.i146cVAi035977@repoman.freebsd.org> <20040229233524.GA48293@dragon.nuxi.com> <1078098236.62463.50.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> <20040301104026.GC27008@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040301104026.GC27008@FreeBSD.org> X-42: On Organization: Dark side of coredump cc: cvs-ports@freebsd.org cc: Joe Marcus Clarke cc: obrien@freebsd.org cc: cvs-all@freebsd.org cc: ports-committers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Gettext issues (was Re: cvs commit: ports CHANGES) X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:29:32 -0000 Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 10:40:27, eivind (Eivind Eklund) wrote about "Gettext issues (was Re: cvs commit: ports CHANGES)": EE> Talking of gettext: I've been toying with the idea of having WITHOUT_NLS EE> settable in sysinstall, or defaulting NLS to off. I believe most FreeBSD EE> users will want the english version, even if translations are available. EE> As a such, I think inflicting the level of pain the gettext changes give EE> on our users unless they find a fairly obscure knob is a Bad Idea. EE> Any thoughts? I strongly agree. Internationalization (aka i18n) is generally good idea, but there is no need to treat it as Green Banner against all Heretics:( Pity, but this is fact for GNU world. For servers, it generally gives no useful functionality (and the same for X libraries - so `WITHOUT_NLS=yes' and `WITHOUT_X11=yes' are the first thing I set now in make.conf for each new server). OTOH, it's the least useful to download 6 megs to hosts with bad connectivity, when most of these megs are gettext's internal crap which is totally useless for application which requires only libintl. -netch-