From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jun 21 18:09:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA15721 for current-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 18:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (slip139-92-42-143.ut.nl.ibm.net [139.92.42.143]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA15715; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 18:09:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.jhs.no_domain (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA07938; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 20:10:55 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199606211810.UAA07938@vector.jhs.no_domain> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.jhs.no_domain: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Nate Williams Cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: tcl -- what's going on here. From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: Vector Systems Ltd. Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany Phone: +49.89.268616 Fax: +49.89.2608126 (later) Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ Mailer: EXMH 1.6.7, PGP available In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 20 Jun 1996 16:00:29 MDT." <199606202200.QAA11554@rocky.sri.MT.net> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 20:10:54 +0200 Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Reference: > From: Nate Williams > Subject: Re: tcl -- what's going on here. > > The FreeBSD Project is *NOT* a democracy, True > and never will be. Many shades of grey available between democracy & autocracy, each with advantages & disadvantages, I'd like to see the slide to autocracy reversed. > Hinting that it be that way is pure foolishness. Ask for nothing, get nothing, ... etc. > If you want something done, *DO IT YOURSELF*. Writing code is _easy_, getting it _committed_ is the hard bit, nothing I can do about that, just keep posting, then give up, & file each bit in parallel src & ports trees, ( I've recently made these trees of patches & extra bits available under http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/src/ ). EG: ports/mail/exmh: waiting 6 months, there were some imperfect bits, since fixed, version upgraded, still waiting... EG vi + chimera + ghostview diffs to implement a Wysiwig sort of thing, they add extra functionality, they're small, they do no harm ... Coding is easy, getting things committed is far far harder. > Even though I disagree with Poul's recent > TCL stuff, at least he did something. I should have initially changed my Subject: to indicate a new thread, I wasn't refering to Poul's tcl episode, that's a complex hot topic I'm steering clear off :-) > 'Nuff said, time for some gophers to *DIE*!!!!! Umm .. Err Montana still ? ... Have a nice day ... & I wish the gophers a clean shot & a painless quick kill ! .... gulp ;-) Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/