From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sun Jun 23 02:56:13 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E5C15C3075 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2019 02:56:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karl@denninger.net) Received: from colo1.denninger.net (colo1.denninger.net [104.236.120.189]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BD476FF8F for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2019 02:56:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karl@denninger.net) Received: from denninger.net (ip68-1-57-197.pn.at.cox.net [68.1.57.197]) by colo1.denninger.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B03E7211126 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2019 22:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.10.18] (D8.Denninger.Net [192.168.10.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by denninger.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2EE0F1DE08B for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2019 21:56:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: UEFI firmware and getting FreeBSD recognized by default: who to talk to? To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <1e08badd-a963-7e4b-98a7-52a9d3bd77a8@bluestop.org> <87dee58e-66dc-ddf8-980b-a538875ae8b9@denninger.net> <20190623012022.5270E1DDDFE@denninger.net> From: Karl Denninger Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=karl@denninger.net; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBFIX1zsBEADRcJfsQUl9oFeoMfLPJ1kql+3sIaYx0MfJAUhV9LnbWxr0fsWCskM1O4cV tHm5dqPkuPM4Ztc0jLotD1i9ubWvCHOlkLGxFOL+pFbjA+XZ7VKsC/xWmhMwJ3cM8HavK2OV SzEWQ/AEYtMi04IzGSwsxh/5/5R0mPHrsIomV5SbuiI0vjLuDj7fo6146AABI1ULzge4hBYW i/SHrqUrLORmUNBs6bxek79/B0Dzk5cIktD3LOfbT9EAa5J/osVkstMBhToJgQttaMIGv8SG CzpR/HwEokE+7DP+k2mLHnLj6H3kfugOF9pJH8Za4yFmw//s9cPXV8WwtZ2SKfVzn1unpKqf wmJ1PwJoom/d4fGvQDkgkGKRa6RGC6tPmXnqnx+YX4iCOdFfbP8L9rmk2sewDDVzHDU3I3ZZ 8hFIjMYM/QXXYszRatK0LCV0QPZuF7LCf4uQVKw1/oyJInsnH7+6a3c0h21x+CmSja9QJ+y0 yzgEN/nM89d6YTakfR+1xkYgodVmMy/bS8kmXbUUZG/CyeqCqc95RUySjKT2ECrf9GhhoQkl +D8n2MsrAUSMGB4GQSN+TIq9OBTpNuvATGSRuF9wnQcs1iSry+JNCpfRTyWp83uCNApe6oHU EET4Et6KDO3AvjvBMAX0TInTRGW2SQlJMuFKpc7Dg7tHK8zzqQARAQABtCNLYXJsIERlbm5p bmdlciA8a2FybEBkZW5uaW5nZXIubmV0PokCPAQTAQIAJgUCUhfXOwIbIwUJCWYBgAYLCQgH AwIEFQIIAwQWAgMBAh4BAheAAAoJEG6/sivc5s0PLxQP/i6x/QFx9G4Cw7C+LthhLXIm7NSH AtNbz2UjySEx2qkoQQjtsK6mcpEEaky4ky6t8gz0/SifIfJmSmyAx0UhUQ0WBv1vAXwtNrQQ jJd9Bj6l4c2083WaXyHPjt2u2Na6YFowyb4SaQb83hu/Zs25vkPQYJVVE0JX409MFVPUa6E3 zFbd1OTr3T4yNUy4gNeQZfzDqDS8slbIks2sXeoJrZ6qqXVI0ionoivOlaN4T6Q0UYyXtigj dQvvhMt0aNowKFjRqrmSDRpdz+o6yg7Mp7qEZ1V6EZk8KqQTH6htpCTQ8i79ttK4LG6bstSF Re6Fwq52nbrcANrcdmtZXqjo+SGbUqJ8b1ggrxAsJ5MEhRh2peKrCgI/TjQo+ZxfnqEoR4AI 46Cyiz+/lcVvlvmf2iPifS3EEdaH3Itfwt7MxFm6mQORYs6skHDw3tOYB2/AdCW6eRVYs2hB RMAG4uwApZfZDKgRoE95PJmQjeTBiGmRPcsQZtNESe7I7EjHtCDLwtJqvD4HkDDQwpzreT6W XkyIJ7ns7zDfA1E+AQhFR6rsTFGgQZRZKsVeov3SbhYKkCnVDCvb/PKQCAGkSZM9SvYG5Yax 8CMry3AefKktf9fqBFg8pWqtVxDwJr56dhi0GHXRu3jVI995rMGo1fLUG5fSxiZ8L5sAtokh 9WFmQpyl Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 21:56:08 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190623012022.5270E1DDDFE@denninger.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-512; boundary="------------ms060800050200000600000403" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 3BD476FF8F X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.80 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: px.denninger.net]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.978,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.62)[ip: (-9.86), ipnet: 104.236.64.0/18(-4.29), asn: 14061(1.12), country: US(-0.06)]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:104.236.64.0/18, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[197.57.1.68.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.992,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SIGNED_SMIME(-2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/alternative,text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[denninger.net]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[] X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 02:56:13 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms060800050200000600000403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 6/22/2019 20:16, Thomas Mueller wrote: > from Karl Denninger: > >> On 6/22/2019 14:05, Rebecca Cran wrote: >>> On 2019-06-22 12:59, Karl Denninger wrote: >>>> I use Refind for this sort of thing and it has (thus far!) survived >>>> upgrades.=C3=82=C2=A0 The only "gotcha" is that I had a Windows 10 "= Feature" >>>> upgrade that reset the default boot in the firmware to Windows; it >>>> didn't damage anything but did require that I go reset the UEFI defa= ult >>>> to boot the Refind EFI loader instead of the Windows one. >>> I do like that rEFInd knows about FreeBSD, and it's one of the "UEFI = OS" >>> entries that remains. But I'd prefer it if a "FreeBSD" entry was >>> automatically created! > =20 >> It is. =20 >> All I had to do was put the EFI loader in a directory under the UEFI >> partition and Refind found it.=C3=82=C2=A0 I didn't have to specifical= ly tell it >> that it was there. >> The explicit "set" command (which I issued under Windows) is to tell t= he >> firmware what the default is; you do it once on original installation = of >> Refind.=C3=82=C2=A0 The Windows 10 feature update set it back to defau= lt to >> Windows, which was quite annoying but not really a big deal.=C3=82=C2=A0= One =20 >> command, once, from the Windows command line (same as the one to set i= t >> in the first place) was all that was required. >> The danger with tampering with where Windows 10 puts its EFI loader >> (e.g. copying Refind there after moving it somewhere else) is that >> Bitlocker may throw up on you if you do that.=C3=82=C2=A0 In fact you = do have to do >> things in the right order or Bitlocker's default configuration (at lea= st >> on a TPM equipped machine) will have a hissy fit -- you cannot change >> anything in the EFI partition after initializing Bitlocker, including >> the Refind configuration file (this most-specifically applies to the >> "wait for boot time"; I find the default obnoxiously long) so you have= >> to make that edit and put the other stuff in the UEFI partition (e.g. >> FreeBSD's EFI loader and Refind) BEFORE turning Bitlocker on. > =20 >> I've been running this way since 12.x showed up since 12.x can boot a >> geli-encrypted system directly on my laptop.=C3=82=C2=A0 Works nicely.= > This is scary (Bitlocker), sent me to Wikipedia to look up Bitlocker. > > Can you turn Bitlocker off after turning it on and get your system back= ? You SHOULD (better have!) kept the recovery key.=C2=A0 If you have it, yo= u can boot with it.=C2=A0 Then turn it off and back on, and it will generat= e a new key. > Now I am even more scared to ever get a computer with MS-Windows! > > One think on my mind is if I need a new motherboard, would it have the = undesired Secure Boot? I guess I'd have to ask the seller and look on th= e motherboard manufacturer's website (MSI, ASRock, Asus, Gigabyte, or oth= er). > > I have no Secure Boot now. Probably.=C2=A0 But you can shut THAT off (and should) provided you wish = to dual boot.=C2=A0 The exception is ARM-based systems, many of which are secure-boot ONLY.=C2=A0 For Intel machines I've never run into one that c= an't have it turned off (and I'd return it immediately if I found one.) > I am trying to set up UEFI to boot my FreeBSD and NetBSD installations,= and later, Linux. > > Tom Easy.=C2=A0 Refind should do that and allow selection from a menu. --=20 Karl Denninger karl@denninger.net /The Market Ticker/ /[S/MIME encrypted email preferred]/ --------------ms060800050200000600000403 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgMFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCC DdgwggagMIIEiKADAgECAhMA5EiKghDOXrvfxYxjITXYDdhIMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAMIGL 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