From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 20 08:08:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E4D16A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 08:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hanoi.cronyx.ru (hanoi.cronyx.ru [144.206.181.53]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA61B43D41 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 08:08:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rik@cronyx.ru) Received: (from root@localhost) by hanoi.cronyx.ru id i3KF6whr049862 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org.checked; (8.12.8/vak/2.1) Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:06:58 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from rik@cronyx.ru) Received: from cronyx.ru (hi.cronyx.ru [144.206.181.94]) by hanoi.cronyx.ru with ESMTP id i3KEx3fI049409; (8.12.8/vak/2.1) Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:59:03 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from rik@cronyx.ru) Message-ID: <40853ADB.6080409@cronyx.ru> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:59:39 +0400 From: Roman Kurakin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031208 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce M Simpson References: <20040414155525.GD562@jenny.daemon.li> <20040419183108.L47248@carver.gumbysoft.com> <40851021.6090706@cronyx.ru> <20040420121523.GA18177@empiric.dek.spc.org> <40852DAF.7090406@cronyx.ru> <20040420141453.GC18177@empiric.dek.spc.org> In-Reply-To: <20040420141453.GC18177@empiric.dek.spc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Josef El-Rayes cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: small note to GENERIC for isa dependency X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:08:03 -0000 Bruce M Simpson wrote: >On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 06:03:27PM +0400, Roman Kurakin wrote: > > >>>The problem is that ISA and the i386 architecture are still intimately >>>involved. It's probably hidden away as something called LPC on yours. :-) >>> >>> >>I only want to say that this is normal wish to remove device "isa" as a >>"hardware missing in my modern box", cause I open it and see nothing >>except PCI slots. >> >> > >Appearances can be deceiving. I can understand the source of your confusion. >Let me attempt to clarify. > > Sorry my words wasn't clear enough. I don't have any confusion (but any way thanks, for details). But "generic" users described by me has. So all I said was mostly point of view of such users. I am working with pupils, they have even worse view in their minds :-). I am also working as tech support and even some system administrators do not know how to ln -s and how to build kernel. :-( I must confess that I tried to remove isa device from config. Probably I expected that if I don't have ISA bus in explicit form I don't need explicit device. That I can turn of some part of code system needs for support of non-generic-isa devices. For example old style compatibility wrapper (now we dont have such, but then it was). (From human laziness I do not read sources, manuals and other things all the time. I know that I can try and if I break something on my personal computer I alway know how to fix it :-) I know that I was wrong in my conclusions.) rik