From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 2 21:43:00 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A83EF10656A5 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 21:43:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mckusick@mckusick.com) Received: from chez.mckusick.com (chez.mckusick.com [64.81.247.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D708FC25 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 21:43:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from chez.mckusick.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chez.mckusick.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o12L9TsJ039446; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 13:09:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mckusick@chez.mckusick.com) Message-Id: <201002022109.o12L9TsJ039446@chez.mckusick.com> To: "Julian H. Stacey" Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 13:09:29 -0800 From: Kirk McKusick X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:46:11 +0000 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Christoph Kukulies Subject: Re: our little daemon abused as symbol of the evil X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:43:00 -0000 Thanks for the pointer. As you note, the damage (or benefit :-) is done. Still I have sent an email to the editor at Spiegel notifying them of my copyright in the hopes that they will at least ask in the future. Kirk McKusick =-=-=-= From: "Julian H. Stacey" Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:30:29 +0100 To: Christoph Kukulies Subject: Re: our little daemon abused as symbol of the evil Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Kirk McKusick Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany Christoph Kukulies wrote: > Look here: > > http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-51396-2.html ( Well spotted Christoph ! ) For those that don't read German, tracing back, Text article starts here http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/0,1518,675395,00.html That is in German, (some might like a translator web, eg http://babelfish.org ) I did read the german article (but skipped graphics). Key paragraph: Es ist ein Horrorszenario für Datenschützer, was Thorsten Holz, Gilbert Wondracek, Engin Kirda und Christopher Kruegel in ihrem 15-seitigen Aufsatz beschreiben ( PDF-Datei hier, 803 KB): Die Experten vom Isec-Forschungslabor für IT-Sicherheit, einer Kooperation der Technischen Universität Wien, dem Institute Eurcom und der University of California, dokumentieren einen technisch eher simplen Angriff, der eine seit zehn Jahren bekannte Sicherheitslücke ausnutzt. In key para there I could click & download sonda-TR.pdf (though now I can't seem to redownload http://www.iseclab.org/papers/sonda-TR.pdf ) A 15 page article in Engish. Page 4 uses the Firefox & BSD logos. I havent read that English [yet], but with it, any interested here can now read & form own opinions if it seems fair to use the Daemon logo, especially cc'd copyright holder of BSD daemon holder: Kirk McKusick IMO The German article by weekly magazine Spiegel.de didnt really seem to have anything to do with BSD, they just copied the graphics. Personaly my 2c: Initial reaction was I'd be a happier if a generic PC graphic had been used in the spiegel.de web, but maybe its the price of fame, I guess tests were done using BSD, & Spiegel thought it was nice colourful graphic. (Politicians never looked good on British TV Spitting Image programme, but they learnt it was better to look bad there, & be talked about, than not seen, not recognised & ignored). Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text not quoted-printable, HTML or Base64 http://www.asciiribbon.org