From owner-freebsd-arch Fri Mar 16 17:18:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CCAA37B718; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:18:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f2H1Ij701695; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:18:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:18:45 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein To: John Baldwin Cc: arch@FreeBSD.org, tlambert@primenet.com, drosih@rpi.edu, Jordan Hubbard Subject: Re: NO MORE '-BETA' Message-ID: <20010316171845.U29888@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <20010316170755.S29888@fw.wintelcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jhb@FreeBSD.org on Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 05:15:35PM -0800 X-all-your-base: are belong to us. Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * John Baldwin [010316 17:16] wrote: > > On 17-Mar-01 Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > * Jordan Hubbard [010316 16:44] wrote: > >> > Let's just add something to cvsup to prompt the user? Or something > >> > in the build process that's interactive? or what? > >> > >> How about turning it off to all but authorized users (those who have > >> a registered cvsup key, as on freefall) during release periods? > > > > The real pain is that there doesn't seem to be a way stop users from > > upgrading before they actually do it. > > > > I think what'll happen is that sometime tomorrow I'll add an option > > to newvers.sh to detect a cross version change and have the world > > and installworld and installkernel targets check and prompt unless > > something like EARLY_ADOPTER=YES is set in make.conf or you're > > building a 'release'. > > > > Would that be ok? > > So you will prompt them wiht a question that will make them ignore it > and cut and paste it into a message and mail it off to a dozen lists > screaming about it? If they can't manage to follow -stable or read the > FAQ, what makes you think they will bother with reading the message you > output with going into hysteria? They've already demonstrated a lack > of reading ability or willingness or something. Those people can go fly a kite. You stated that -BETA actually is a bit less stable than -STABLE and hence should be -BETA. The problem is that: THERE'S NO WARNING UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY BOOT WITH YOUR '-BETA' SYSTEM This would address it and also give us an excuse to make fun of the people that ask without reading what the make targets output. -- -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message