From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 2 17:05:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45EA235E for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 17:05:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adams-freebsd@ateamsystems.com) Received: from fss.sandiego.ateamservers.com (fss.sandiego.ateamservers.com [69.55.229.149]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138A78FC0A for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 17:05:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.15.220] (gw.digitalspark.net [118.175.84.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by fss.sandiego.ateamservers.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F505BBAAC; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 13:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5093FD3D.3080201@ateamsystems.com> Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 00:05:01 +0700 From: Adam Strohl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bas Smeelen Subject: Re: SU+J on 9.1-RC2 ISO References: <5093F934.7050306@ose.nl> In-Reply-To: <5093F934.7050306@ose.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 17:05:07 -0000 On 11/2/2012 23:47, Bas Smeelen wrote: > Hi > > Why are journaled soft updates the default when installing a new system > from a 9.1-RC2 ISO? > > I admit I did not pay too much attention when installing a new system > from an 9.1-RC2 ISO and found out when taking a snapshot with dump (dump > -0Lauf) to clone the system. Other systems (9-STABLE, 9.1-RC2 and > 9.1-RC3) have been upgraded from 8.X-RELEASE and earlier, so there are > no journaled soft updates enabled, just soft updates, and well there > dump with snapshot works just fine. > > Can SU+J be disabled for the 9.1-RELEASE or do you think this is not > going to be a problem for users of FreeBSD? I will have to boot these > two systems single user now to disable the soft updates journal, because > I use dump + restore on live systems, not a problem for me, it is just > an inconvenience. I have to second this sentiment. Unless the dump/snapshot issue has been resolved they journal should be turned off by default. It's a really nasty bug that causes an instant panic which is awful if the server is in production. The fact that it happens when you're trying to exercise due diligence (ie; backups) is even worse. -- my .02