From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 02:16:45 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA13387 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 02:16:45 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA13378 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 02:16:41 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id CAA03249; Tue, 30 May 1995 02:15:24 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505300915.CAA03249@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: freebsd-* mailing lists (Was Re: SUP server down?) To: pritc003@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Mike Pritchard) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 02:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Cc: wsantee@wsantee.oz.net, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505300903.EAA18637@mpp.com> from "Mike Pritchard" at May 30, 95 04:03:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2738 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > Did I miss something? Looks like the SUP server has been down pretty > > > much all day. If this was a 'scheduled outage' then I guess everybody > > > gets to laugh at me and I'll go back and read all my e-mail. If not, > > > anybody know what the problem is? > > > > You missed something, have you been reading your -current and -commit > > mailling lists???? > > I've been noticing very long delays lately between the time a message > is posted to any of the freebsd-* lists and the time it makes it back > to my mail machine. Checking the headers on your message about sup > being disabled shows a delay of 8 hours between the time you sent > the message and the time it got into my mailbox (and that machine is up > 24 hours a day, and looking through my mail today shows that it has > been receiving mail regularly all day), so this guy could very well have > read all his mail and still not seen anything. Today was a bad day for Majordomo, it got screwed up with 3 zombie processes that stopped all Majordomo based mail up for about 2 or 3 hours until we could find some one on site at WC to do a reboot. This has happened a few times in the past, and may explain *some* of the delays, but not all of them. > > I regularly receive responses to my messages hours before my original > message makes it back to me. Is it really taking that long to process > everyone on the mailing list during the first pass over the message, > or is sendmail giving up and queueing the message for a few hours > before finishing the first pass over the message? It probably makes it down the who list on the first pass, skipping those who have DNS, host or other timeout's and then defers the remaining addresses. Realize Freefall is process one heck of a pile of mail these days, over 100K messages a day often. Right now it looks low: freefall:cvswork {111} mailstats Statistics from Sat May 27 04:19:52 1995 M msgsfr bytes_from msgsto bytes_to Mailer 0 0 0K 1026 2285K prog 1 0 0K 394 875K *file* 3 2703 6324K 3653 7964K local 4 1227 3585K 263175 531621K smtp ======================================== T 3930 9909K 268248 542745K freefall:cvswork {112} I see turn around times on my messages well under 10 minutes in most cases, if your seeing 8 hours you probably have a DNS or route problem that is causing your mail to get defered :-(. That and I am at the top of the lists, and your probably quite far down on them depending on when you joined the list. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD