From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mon Oct 19 21:43:55 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F88FA19FE6 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:43:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from slim.berklix.org (slim.berklix.org [94.185.90.68]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21CC77F8 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:43:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5083C162.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.131.193.98]) (authenticated bits=128) by slim.berklix.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t9JL01Ct036464; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 23:00:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id t9JKwVvp048793; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:58:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id t9JKvmBL045599; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:58:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Message-Id: <201510192058.t9JKvmBL045599@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Slawa Olhovchenkov cc: Perry Hutchison , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, yonas@fizk.net, mexas@bris.ac.uk Subject: Re: Depreciate and remove gbde From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultants, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Mon, 19 Oct 2015 12:17:26 +0300." <20151019091726.GG42243@zxy.spb.ru> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:57:48 +0200 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:43:55 -0000 Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 01:52:05AM -0700, Perry Hutchison wrote: > > > Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > > > > I use gbde. > > > Can switch to geli, if required, > > > but please provide detailed instructions > > > for switching before removing gbde. > > > > Such instructions would presumably be included in the UPDATING > > entry. > > > > An additional consideration: If there is no convert-in-place > > mechanism -- i.e. the only way to convert a gbde FS to geli is to > > backup, wipe, and restore (thus involving considerable downtime) > > -- it will give some unknown number of production users a strong > > motivation to freeze at [last version of FreeBSD to include gbde > > support]. > > This must be show-stoper for removing gbde. Yes. Someone with a commit bit could hopefully add a line or 2 to man gbde, that as gbde was around in 5.0-RELEASE 2003, gbde is No Longer experimental, it's stable & in use; newbies need not be scared. https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=gbde&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+5.0-RELEASE&arch=default&format=html which was released pre 2006 https://www.freebsd.org/security/unsupported.html Jan 16 2003 https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/release/5.0.0/README?view=markup Jan 16 16:56:23 2003 https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/release/5.0.0/sbin/gbde/gbde.8?revision=109388&view=markup Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Linux Unix Sys. Eng. Consultant Munich http://berklix.com Reply After previous text to preserve context, as in a play script. Indent previous text with > Insert new lines before 80 chars. Use plain text, Not quoted-printable, Not HTML, Not base64, Not MS.doc.