From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 14:51:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D771C106564A for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:51:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wxs@atarininja.org) Received: from syn.atarininja.org (syn.csh.rit.edu [129.21.60.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC018FC18 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:51:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wxs@atarininja.org) Received: by syn.atarininja.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 633785C2D; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:51:55 -0400 From: Wesley Shields To: Dan Allen Message-ID: <20080904145155.GD1188@atarininja.org> References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <48BF23D3.2070509@brianwhalen.net> <20080904134305.GC1188@atarininja.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Peter Jeremy , Randy Pratt , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Brian Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:51:15 -0000 On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 08:34:54AM -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > > On 4 Sep 2008, at 7:43 AM, Wesley Shields wrote: > > > No thanks. This means you have to have a working connection to > > install > > firefox via this method. Since not everyone will have that it is > > still > > necessary to bundle the firefox package on the media, bringing us > > right > > back to the very issue you are trying to solve. > > No. You do NOT get my point. Firefox is (almost) worthless without > an internet connection. It's whole purpose is to browse the > internet. Therefore, if you are going to use firefox, you by > definition have an internet connection, hence you have the ability to > get firefox through this same internet connection. (This assumes > fetch or wget or curl is around to get firefox.) Firefox is not worthless without an internet connection. It can browse websites on networks not connected to the internet just fine. You seem to use it mostly on the internet at large, but don't assume the rest of the world does. Pushing firefox off the media is a bad idea. I've had scenarios in the past where I needed to stand up a machine with a browser on a physically isolated network. Having firefox on the media was very helpful in this case. Another scenario involves documentation which comes in HTML form. Why should I need an internet connection to get firefox just to read the documentation off my hard drive. Sure, I could use something else which can render the HTML but maybe I want to use firefox. This whole idea is a non-starter IMO. Although the install media suits my needs just fine I'm not naive enough to think it suits everyones needs just fine. There are projects mentioned in this thread already which are attempting to make the installer better and/or move to a DVD to ease some of the space constraints. If anyone wants to work on the problems outlined in this thread I think efforts are better spent on the sysinstall replacement projects going on and moving to a DVD. -- WXS