From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 6: 4:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4403F37B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 06:04:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA86773; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:25:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from shovey@buffnet.net) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:04:29 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Hovey To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: this spam In-Reply-To: <002201c17655$fbe26320$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wow that was very nice of you - I dont give up - all I said was, dont get all wound up and sick over it. On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Stephen Hovey > >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 8:16 PM > >To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > >Subject: Re: this spam > > > > > > > >My two cents as a network admin who is kinda sick of this topic from a > >daily issue of it in my work.. > > > >Use a mail program that doesnt make deleting a message, read or otherwise, > >an act of gymnastics.. > > > >Accept that if you do anything other that mail your mom, and she NEVER > >sends you and e-greeting, etc., that you will get spam... > > > >Never do business with a spammer.. > > > >Press delete, and get over it.. Its just spam.. > > > > Today there's plenty of good tools for eliminating spam on the server. I've > seen > some posts from admins who claim 99.9% spam removal and I believe them after > they have detailed what they do to stop it. (basically, spending a small > amount > of time each day improving their vast filter dictionaries) > > While you may have decided that letting your users continue to get spam is OK, > that's your choice. However, in today's Internet environment, clearly the > Right Thing to do is for spam filtering to be centralized on the mailserver, > that way you don't have a thousand users re-inventing the wheel, duplicating > each other's spam filters. It's illogical to argue in favor of users being > responsible for spam filtration because the amount of effort they have to > expend > in total to deal with a single spam message is far, far greater than the > effort > that you, as a mailserver admin, have to expend to delete that same message > for > ALL of them. > > Spammers depend on convincing the majority of admins on the Internet to have > the > same fatalistic attitude that you do, in short that there's nothing that you > can do about spam and so you might as well give up and blame the users for > complaining about it. All your doing by posting messages of this type is > postponing > the day that the rest of us who are willing to do something can get the > Internet > cleaned up of all these spammers. While I'll be the first to say that it's > your > right to ignore spam, please shut the fuck up about it and stop harming the > efforts > of others that are working to get it reduced and eliminated, by spreading > your "give up the spammers have won" attitude. > > > Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com > Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide > Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message