From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 2 18:46:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E2BF1065675; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 18:46:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kmacybsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA108FC14; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 18:46:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vbmv11 with SMTP id v11so2197988vbm.13 for ; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 10:46:49 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kmacybsd@gmail.com designates 10.52.22.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.52.22.46; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kmacybsd@gmail.com designates 10.52.22.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kmacybsd@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kmacybsd@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.52.22.46]) by 10.52.22.46 with SMTP id a14mr18539051vdf.27.1330714009357 (num_hops = 1); Fri, 02 Mar 2012 10:46:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ST5G6+6AM999KBxQR2xhHqkkRhKBreVwnO8l7xcdkq4=; b=FYTDFiOCbtF3LcOQLa08rJX5KHhg+1EayyXhcCC52Even4TdF90fqy+bLK8msDaXQh SEervqA1WLiKsxavBDECI/LfSya5/jTTWA1cPdi/kIHnrPnW/r0h1SZjiKlU0B1FU8Bz Ki6CftbKJ7Aks2H9VdwgQbQcK+EjhWmXIes4Ddnd4m/a0jd5B0TeuFrTc5M5Z9ji7CoH bFpFNMxLvOQRNUqFBb/jemvgBxpm4sBRs6V/i78NlUJezKfcTlwX1Q+bh7/MckL8JC/0 7E72JXAnHFpi27sPzaeLNkCotb25jI1ETmSrf2ZJjbIK/nf7MrCwd+V5jyHCzjXnZ+vj lUqA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.22.46 with SMTP id a14mr15822263vdf.27.1330714009284; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 10:46:49 -0800 (PST) Sender: kmacybsd@gmail.com Received: by 10.220.183.3 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 10:46:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F510FBD.50008@FreeBSD.org> References: <20120221143537.Horde.deyFDZjmRSRPQ52pxBIpnLA@webmail.leidinger.net> <4F4BA707.5070608@wasikowski.net> <4F4C3FE7.3040802@FreeBSD.org> <4F4D51CB.2010508@FreeBSD.org> <4F4D5E5D.9040302@FreeBSD.org> <4F4DD288.5060106@FreeBSD.org> <4F4ED889.2070608@FreeBSD.org> <4F500BB9.4040307@FreeBSD.org> <4F5088CA.1090108@FreeBSD.org> <4F510FBD.50008@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 19:46:49 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: BmZawqdBf3TVju5j33h9YTRfDw4 Message-ID: From: "K. Macy" To: Doug Barton Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: stable@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org, =?ISO-8859-2?Q?z_W=B1sikowski?= , Arnaud Lacombe , Alexander Leidinger , "Bjoern A. Zeeb" Subject: Re: flowtable usable or not X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 18:46:50 -0000 > > ... and here is the crux of the problem. The vast majority of our > developers don't use FreeBSD as their regular workstation. So it has > increasingly become an OS where changes are being lobbed over the wall > by developers who don't run systems that those changes affect. That's no > way to run a railroad. You understand my point but then fail to or choose not to see how it applies to you when it creates problems for you personally. In essence my point was that "It was broken so I turned it off, end of story." does not constitute constructive feedback and does not contribute to the development of FreeBSD. It isn't your responsibility to help me debug my code just as it isn't my responsibility to contribute to the maintenance of ports by dealing with a port management that for me has been virtually unusable in coping with dependencies. I'm not eating the ports dog food because it is broken for me and you're not fully eating the sys dog food because it is broken for you are perfectly reasonable courses of action taken in isolation. However, our respective actions cumulatively don't contribute to the welfare of FreeBSD and my response was simply voicing frustration with such conduct. If you do not see the parallels between the two then there really isn't anything further to discuss about how we engage with the community. -Kip > > > Doug > > -- > > =A0 =A0This .signature sanitized for your protection --=20 =A0 =A0=93The real damage is done by those millions who want to 'get by.' The ordinary men who just want to be left in peace. Those who don=92t want their little lives disturbed by anything bigger than themselves. Those with no sides and no causes. Those who won=92t take measure of their own strength, for fear of antagonizing their own weakness. Those who don=92t like to make waves=97or enemies. =A0 =A0Those for whom freedom, honour, truth, and principles are only literature. Those who live small, love small, die small. It=92s the reductionist approach to life: if you keep it small, you=92ll keep it under control. If you don=92t make any noise, the bogeyman won=92t find you. =A0 =A0But it=92s all an illusion, because they die too, those people who roll up their spirits into tiny little balls so as to be safe. Safe?! >From what? Life is always on the edge of death; narrow streets lead to the same place as wide avenues, and a little candle burns itself out just like a flaming torch does. =A0 =A0I choose my own way to burn.=94 =A0 =A0Sophie Scholl