From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 18 17:53: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D88037B406 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 17:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dialup-209.247.138.189.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([209.247.138.189] helo=mindspring.com) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 179EwE-0007b7-00; Sat, 18 May 2002 17:52:42 -0700 Message-ID: <3CE6F73C.2A8F4EA2@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 17:52:12 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Knowles Cc: Mike Meyer , Giorgos Keramidas , Miguel Mendez , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The road ahead? References: <20020516004909.A9808@daemon.tisys.org> <20020516151801.A47974@energyhq.homeip.net> <20020516172853.A7750@daemon.tisys.org> <3CE40759.7C584101@mindspring.com> <20020516220616.A51305@energyhq.homeip.net> <3CE43D08.1FDBF0A3@mindspring.com> <20020517163624.GB9697@hades.hell.gr> <3CE58F73.1A7F50AF@mindspring.com> <15589.63655.94078.482179@guru.mired.org> <3CE61284.80ADD241@mindspring.com> <15590.58578.811389.223502@guru.mired.org> <3CE6E8ED.84E431F@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brad Knowles wrote: > At 4:51 PM -0700 2002/05/18, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Can't do a graceful shutdown without a button. > > > > I actually would be uncomfortable with something that didn't have > > an activation sequence of some kind that didn't include something > > that you normally don't do (plugging/unplugging is supposed to be > > limited to installation and deinstallation, not activation and > > deactivation). > > I can't think of a VCR, DVD, or cable box that operates this way. > All consumer electronics devices I know of are capable of losing > power and rebooting cleanly. Consumer electronic devices that can't > take this sort situation simply don't survive in the business. First, all of my DVD, VCR and other consumer electronics equipment have power buttons. Second, it's still *not about the device*; it's about everything that grows to depend on the device. > > Actually, you don't have to do the DNS thing, if you can do the > > DNSUPDAT thing. So: > > > > o Find the gateway > > o Find your IP > > o Find the name server from the root > > o Reverse lookup your IP to get the domain name > > o Use the DNS information based on your role to > > configure yourself > > This assumes that reverse DNS is set up correctly. It also > assumes that you can get through the firewall. Yes, it does. It assumes that you haven't intentionally flipped the breaker to keep the plug from working. 8-). In general, we expect these things to have been set up by a third party, since we assume that you don't have an on-site geek. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message