From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 31 20:14:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1386A1065670; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:14:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asmrookie@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F3F8FC0A; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:14:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lbon10 with SMTP id n10so5272904lbo.13 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 13:14:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=47UrBOJDYSbPz2s2ugNJs9E6pTG7sNjNhAUwQlfkybc=; b=qtLUAS/vp0z7gBmVc3ESra4WAoXbbgEHY5OYptL3QCs/c5xTJ2VlP0Cr3DVAZCFPs5 cidpl63Y5vXvr7XVcUhMG6JG/NKe5ckDu4WxW6XDPPAPEWpZsk0gvRVSWN083K0QCehh BrNlwWgkSOZab+FC/OlBDznbPl0pgl6Ws1gFlXoMOMjtmIqOWkwjYbp5QeleL0s/fojk QVlP5/uvvUF21DX4vDUw2eesOUR7LUC7uUmSZ2CF66EdqZNUOqR6YKdonbRJPm/Q4u0t vm3mi617zyg/ZPkBUeyw14B23zghWkMF1ACArEKpjNa+Ev3Z5zXjEA6Bg05i6tycu30V iaCA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.11.100 with SMTP id p4mr7247166lbb.35.1343765667060; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 13:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Sender: asmrookie@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.27.65 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 13:14:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201207301706.02788.jhb@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:14:26 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: lvT5vYIH5XgrNU6hqL6JEQudXpY Message-ID: From: Attilio Rao To: Arnaud Lacombe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD Hackers , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: attilio@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:14:29 -0000 On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Warner Losh wrote: >> >> On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:51 PM, Warner Losh wrote: >>>> [...] We lack that right now, which is why you're trying to shoe-horn the FDT connections into a newbus world and complaining that everything sucks because it is a poor fit. I'd suggest that different mechanisms are necessary. >>>> >>> I'm not trying anything, or at least no longer. I do not see the point >>> working on that when I can not get trivial patches in, especially >>> those fixing poorly maintained drivers, whose issues _do_ affect >>> people. >> >> Hey Arnaud, sorry to be a little harsh, but maybe if you shouted less and cooperated more, people would be more willing to work with you. >> > I tried to be Mr Nice Guy in the past, all I got in return was being > ignored. Lists are full of unanswered problem because people do not > want to insist getting an answer. Now, believe me on one point, if you > are a driver or subsystem author, might I have an issue with your > work, I *will* be a recurring pain in your butt to get the issue > fixed, or to get in what I do believe, with the limited set of > knowledge and resources to my disposal[0], to be a correct fix for the > issue, at the time. If you are condescending, arrogant, or advocates > of the status-quo, as have been committers in the past, I will return > you favor. Let face it, FreeBSD is not the most outstanding OS out > there (despite obvious capabilities), and I would not be too proud of > its state. > > All that to say that asking politely does not work in the arbitrary > FreeBSD realm, where "the power to serve", is today nothing more that > a relic. Arnaud, the problem I see here is that as always you make strong and false claims on bugs and missing support from FreeBSD kernel, but when people points out what are you missing/misunderstanding, you turn the whole thread into "FreeBSD is a relic" baby-whining, without replying with real technical arguments and simply ignoring e-mail by freebsd developers. I didn't see any response from you to several technical e-mail in this threads and others (please don't force me to open mailman and show exactly all the responses you have deliberately ignored), spitting unrespectful, poison-weighted words on developers of our project. You don't want to work cooperatively. You don't want to build something with FreeBSD community. So why you keep insist on sending e-mail like this? Don't you think it would be more productive for you to stick with another project? (I have a couple of names into my head that may be a good fit for you...). I think it is very offensive that you mock our statement like that. For many people reading this e-mail it has a true meaning, people like you should really watch his mouth when speaking about FreeBSD. Attilio -- Peace can only be achieved by understanding - A. Einstein