Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:14:26 +0100 From: Attilio Rao <attilio@freebsd.org> To: Arnaud Lacombe <lacombar@gmail.com> Cc: FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation.. Message-ID: <CAJ-FndCQYN1mGokhN38wdpadFLQW7iFSwjfL=8DkFyJKfJi=1A@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CACqU3MWiytwwXnAs2remVv_GFz4VT16yH46eOyyF=vWUaDVz2w@mail.gmail.com> References: <CACqU3MVh6shncm2Vtqj9oe_HxowWscCZ1eJf0q2F%2B=t_xKKBfQ@mail.gmail.com> <CACqU3MW%2BBjXu%2B2sAgbtc%2Bx-Mc4heowr9Bi6LAfFR5QYsMVf2Nw@mail.gmail.com> <CACqU3MVdYwg_VriY=FgbZ20xV0Xb6CkdpZyrxRTLw60GTFJj=A@mail.gmail.com> <201207301706.02788.jhb@freebsd.org> <CACqU3MWXKKCcoBa=94Dkte=-nxn%2BYVGR-pjDNTSM1hkPsxkZGA@mail.gmail.com> <B54DE5AE-E8C1-49B1-9562-53AE00FAB6BD@bsdimp.com> <CACqU3MVVpQCu8wK=q6LRDhfv-j_GxAbF%2BWTj45PuOoFRUFuRrQ@mail.gmail.com> <B08635E6-C258-417A-9E04-5CFA4B3B6B21@bsdimp.com> <CACqU3MWiytwwXnAs2remVv_GFz4VT16yH46eOyyF=vWUaDVz2w@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Arnaud Lacombe <lacombar@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: >> >> On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:51 PM, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: >>>> [...] We lack that right now, which is why you're trying to shoe-horn the FDT connections into a newbus world and complaining that everything sucks because it is a poor fit. I'd suggest that different mechanisms are necessary. >>>> >>> I'm not trying anything, or at least no longer. I do not see the point >>> working on that when I can not get trivial patches in, especially >>> those fixing poorly maintained drivers, whose issues _do_ affect >>> people. >> >> Hey Arnaud, sorry to be a little harsh, but maybe if you shouted less and cooperated more, people would be more willing to work with you. >> > I tried to be Mr Nice Guy in the past, all I got in return was being > ignored. Lists are full of unanswered problem because people do not > want to insist getting an answer. Now, believe me on one point, if you > are a driver or subsystem author, might I have an issue with your > work, I *will* be a recurring pain in your butt to get the issue > fixed, or to get in what I do believe, with the limited set of > knowledge and resources to my disposal[0], to be a correct fix for the > issue, at the time. If you are condescending, arrogant, or advocates > of the status-quo, as have been committers in the past, I will return > you favor. Let face it, FreeBSD is not the most outstanding OS out > there (despite obvious capabilities), and I would not be too proud of > its state. > > All that to say that asking politely does not work in the arbitrary > FreeBSD realm, where "the power to serve", is today nothing more that > a relic. Arnaud, the problem I see here is that as always you make strong and false claims on bugs and missing support from FreeBSD kernel, but when people points out what are you missing/misunderstanding, you turn the whole thread into "FreeBSD is a relic" baby-whining, without replying with real technical arguments and simply ignoring e-mail by freebsd developers. I didn't see any response from you to several technical e-mail in this threads and others (please don't force me to open mailman and show exactly all the responses you have deliberately ignored), spitting unrespectful, poison-weighted words on developers of our project. You don't want to work cooperatively. You don't want to build something with FreeBSD community. So why you keep insist on sending e-mail like this? Don't you think it would be more productive for you to stick with another project? (I have a couple of names into my head that may be a good fit for you...). I think it is very offensive that you mock our statement like that. For many people reading this e-mail it has a true meaning, people like you should really watch his mouth when speaking about FreeBSD. Attilio -- Peace can only be achieved by understanding - A. Einstein
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