From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 14 05:28:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0E216A418 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:28:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ari@ish.com.au) Received: from fish.ish.com.au (eth5921.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net [59.167.240.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D7113C4E8 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:28:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ari@ish.com.au) Received: from ip-182.ish.com.au ([203.29.62.182]) by fish.ish.com.au with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1JEHZZ-0007Rn-LU; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:09:21 +1100 Message-Id: <98D33E33-F611-4960-9DB1-94444C5F9756@ish.com.au> From: Aristedes Maniatis To: Daniel O'Connor In-Reply-To: <200801131107.15267.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:09:25 +1100 References: <200801111917.m0BJHP8u018954@lurza.secnetix.de> <20080112145146.6f196ede.timo.schoeler@riscworks.net> <20080112135630.I36731@fledge.watson.org> <200801131107.15267.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= , Timo Schoeler , Robert Watson , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:28:42 -0000 On 13/01/2008, at 11:37 AM, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, Robert Watson wrote: >>> Sorry, but (especially in this case) that is nonsense as it's >>> primarily an excuse and disparages the work done there. >> >> There's another element in play here -- FreeBSD.org is a mailing >> list-centric community driven by people who are very much part of the >> e-mail world. For many newer computer users, e-mail is the old >> world, and the new world is instant messaging and web forums. Many >> developers I've talked to feel quite uncomfortable with the medium of >> web forums, and therefore don't tend to use them. If our newer user >> communities are forming around web forums (i.e., for PC-BSD), then we >> do need to find some way to bridge the gap. > > A usenet<->forum bridge would be nice since news looks enough like > email > for oldies to use :) > > Pitty the few I have seen are basically unmaintained :( > (eg Papercut) > > Hmm I wonder how hard it would be to write a forum scraper.... This may be useful to some people: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.os.freebsd.current I know that I read several FreeBSD lists using an OSX nntp reader and it works very nicely. gmane offers most of the FreeBSD lists as nntp and web interfaces, even allowing posting back to the list. If appropriate, perhaps FreeBSD should link [1] back to gmane to make finding this easier. Ari [1] http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL --------------------------> ish http://www.ish.com.au Level 1, 30 Wilson Street Newtown 2042 Australia phone +61 2 9550 5001 fax +61 2 9550 4001 GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A