From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 30 14:48:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA13035 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 14:48:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [165.254.13.209]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA12954 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 14:48:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp-082.etinc.com (ppp-082.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA15028; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 17:47:32 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 17:47:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199601302247.RAA15028@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Terry Lambert From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: R. Winslow's Ignorance Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Terry writes... >Actually, Dennis, if you are willing to accept 2 instead 4 UNIXes, >the comprehensive driver is called "ODI". It would be 4, but the >BSD and Linux camps are heavily into NIH in networking code (with >the result that the BSD camp kicks butt on most commercial systems, >but it's a trade off that the user should be able to choose and can't). > >The X.25 and PPP are similarly available as protocol modules that run >in an ODI framework, though they would have to be rewritten, since they >are typically Novell supplied only with Novell OS's. > > >NDIS falls into the same category, with slightly less scope (DOS, Windows, >and NT instead fo DOS, Windows, and UNIX). > I think that the fact that no-one has good products for these "interfaces" in the WAN world says more than I could. Your argument against building a better mousetrap is questionable. There is a need for these interfaces, but they are flawed and short-sighted for many applications. >(If anyone is preparing to complain about performace, let me point out >that anything that works is better than anything that doesn't). > True, but there are many levels of "working". Its that same reason that some people pay extra for a mercedes or drink one brand of beer and not another. If a product doesnt do the job its not a product.....after that its a matter of quality and taste. >So it's not the idea that's flawed, it's the implementation. > You can argue this, but since people buy it and others dont work well there's evidence that you're not correct. Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 for BSD/OS, FreeBSD and LINUX