From nobody Thu May 5 11:46:47 2022 X-Original-To: ctm-users@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E00E81ACC836 for ; Thu, 5 May 2022 11:47:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from land.berklix.org (land.berklix.org [144.76.10.75]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "land.berklix.org", Issuer "land.berklix.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4KvBkj1fz8z4ffK; Thu, 5 May 2022 11:47:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p4fe6d03e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.230.208.62]) (authenticated bits=128) by land.berklix.org (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 245Bl3Sp096327 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 5 May 2022 11:47:07 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id 245BkwEi002545; Thu, 5 May 2022 13:46:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 245BkmBf082946; Thu, 5 May 2022 13:46:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Message-Id: <202205051146.245BkmBf082946@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Philip Paeps cc: postmaster@freebsd.org, ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: removal of ctm delta mail lists on @freebsd.org From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com/jhs/ User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-From: http://www.berklix.org/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message "Thu, 05 May 2022 18:24:06 +0800." <3887FF04-276D-45E8-9D34-1D9A4AAA6B8B@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 05 May 2022 13:46:47 +0200 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4KvBkj1fz8z4ffK X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jhs@berklix.com has no SPF policy when checking 144.76.10.75) smtp.mailfrom=jhs@berklix.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.85 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[jhs]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[berklix.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.51)[0.513]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.91)[0.914]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.48)[-0.479]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[ctm-users]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:144.76.0.0/16, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[79.230.208.62:received] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/ctm-users List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org Hi Philip cc ctm-users@ Philip Paeps wrote: > On 2022-05-05 17:53:55 (+0800), Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > Reminder to postmaster@freebsd.org No reply received > > Your message arrived. I've not had time to check. OK > At first glance it > looks like those lists were never migrated from mailman to mlmmj and we > stopped generating mailman aliases a while back. > > >> If you @freebsd.org have deleted some or all of those lists, please > >> let me > >> know & I will delete your addresses from the aliases list > >> above, & I would also delete from http://www.berklix.org/ctm/#list > > I think that's fine. OK Deleted from web page & aliases & newaliases has been run. You postmaster@freebsd.org will no longer receive bouncing ctm deltas. > >> BTW if CTM lists dont show up on freebsd.org mailman proves nothing > >> either way, > >> as a long time back (way before freebsd.org started migration from > >> mailman to whatever), > >> the admins of mailman on freebsd.org made the ctm delta lists hidden, > >> but they still worked. > > As far as we're concerned, ctm died with cvs, two revision control > migrations ago. Wrong. Perhaps that mis conception was common & helped discourage CTM. In fact CTM ran fine with SVN for years. CTM is still generating on all streams that are bled across from git to legacy svn. Maybe later I or someone else will get time to revise the CTM generator scripts for git. > It's a lot cheaper to reject spam directed at its > corpse with "mailbox doesn't exist" at the gate on mx1 than to let the > message get as far as mlmmj and reject or bounce it there. Well you will now only get spam directed at those lists, no real mail fed from ctm delta gnerator scripts, so by all means pipe them at /dev/null or whatever. Only exceptions: ctm-users@ this discussion list to continue please ctm-announce@ that list is useless & should be closed (if not already) Stephen the chief ctm generator had no password to announce to it, &/or preferred to use ctm-users@ He has retired from ctm, I'm running the ctm generator, I too have no password to send announcements to ctm-announce@, so it's long been useless. > Thanks. Thanks too, Less bounces both ends now :-) Cheers, -- Julian Stacey http://berklix.com/jhs/ http://stolenVotes.uk Arm Ukraine, kill Putin mass murderer causing global grain & fuel shortage.