From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 5 17:43:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C851065670 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 17:43:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonathan.robert.anderson@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 339C68FC1E for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 17:43:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbds11 with SMTP id ds11so8386047wgb.31 for ; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:43:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=FxuJcMFGl9NJkb5tft3+5weyZo0s61eodyU1+XPZqQM=; b=peyGC6VDWQrlRZI9MeuIH8QDvD4XDnKSvtRG0o1a+k1T6qRvPPxjsianQ4chRyG/IN q0xnpC+co0zQ9lwE19kyIHj2AT4coU9f6ZWtSmhnFDEFBuDbqjxMbBJQK84cuJlXyukU ee7tzuFRSI/OqfGImyI7hT6uq2Gj6FUYb2ZCiHRWZ4GXbNZTeQ5FJiOH1gzZ7+EKkGR+ nYchF/OygK8ZAUSt3SWz9Ka1Hw197EJIG7pHX280PLN+ZQGNtRW07hgyTdbfFvh6vkaz EFOJImvqroVBk5ulTK8ibzjFght/Nnq9qTKs+iZ0RVdsLGN69FGlTbX4kjQncNgecFhV /P/Q== Received: by 10.180.86.106 with SMTP id o10mr1082710wiz.22.1341510201196; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from c137.al.cl.cam.ac.uk (c137.al.cl.cam.ac.uk. [128.232.110.137]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id db7sm1096513wib.6.2012.07.05.10.43.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:43:20 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jonathan Anderson In-Reply-To: <20120705132150.19f456b1@bhuda.mired.org> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 18:43:18 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <86bojxow6x.fsf@ds4.des.no> <4FF35864.5030109@FreeBSD.org> <20120704185104.GA42355@DataIX.net> <4FF4B36A.2040608@FreeBSD.org> <20120704180134.7c649e1b@bhuda.mired.org> <4FF4BEED.10103@FreeBSD.org> <20120704225519.GB19945@DataIX.net> <4FF4CAD1.8080804@FreeBSD.org> <20120704234104.GA392@DataIX.net> <8E9DECBB-3D1E-4129-A958-9DB0DF69ECC3@kientzle.com> <4FF4E105.50502@FreeBSD.org> <20120704203711.2732b645@bhuda.mired.org> <2EA305F0-87D9-47BE-B3E6-366659BF77AF@kientzle.com> <20120704214216.29085927@bhuda.mired.org> <2336980A-5AAB-4D45-8177-71609A7B31F7@gmail.com> <20120705132150.19f456b1@bhuda.mired.org> To: Mike Meyer X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 17:52:40 +0000 Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Better error messages for command not found (was Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 17:43:22 -0000 On 5 Jul 2012, at 18:21, Mike Meyer wrote: >> The command line shouldn't have to be a scary place for new users. >=20 > Nor should it be an annoying place for old users. New users are > important. But old users are the ones who make contributions. No argument there. :) I do like the idea (Garrett's, maybe?) of providing such a tool, leaving = it off by default, making it very easy to turn on ("if you run this = command, the shell will be friendlier to you") and letting the PC-BSD = folks turn it on by default for their users. Jon -- Jonathan Anderson jonathan@FreeBSD.org http://freebsd.org/~jonathan/=