From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 2 17:13:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F045E76B for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 17:13:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike.jakubik@intertainservices.com) Received: from mail.intertainservices.com (mail.intertainservices.com [69.77.177.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5F88FC0C for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 17:13:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [172.16.10.200] (unknown [172.16.10.200]) by mail.intertainservices.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E1E2A5647D; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 13:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1351876381.2657.1.camel@mjakubik.localdomain> Subject: Re: SU+J on 9.1-RC2 ISO From: Mike Jakubik To: Adam Strohl Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:13:01 -0400 In-Reply-To: <5093FD3D.3080201@ateamsystems.com> References: <5093F934.7050306@ose.nl> <5093FD3D.3080201@ateamsystems.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.4 (3.4.4-2.fc17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-intertainservices-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-intertainservices-MailScanner-ID: E1E2A5647D.A0D85 X-intertainservices-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-intertainservices-MailScanner-From: mike.jakubik@intertainservices.com X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Bas Smeelen , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 17:13:12 -0000 On Sat, 2012-11-03 at 00:05 +0700, Adam Strohl wrote: > On 11/2/2012 23:47, Bas Smeelen wrote: > > Hi > > > > Why are journaled soft updates the default when installing a new system > > from a 9.1-RC2 ISO? > > Can SU+J be disabled for the 9.1-RELEASE or do you think this is not > > going to be a problem for users of FreeBSD? I will have to boot these > > two systems single user now to disable the soft updates journal, because > > I use dump + restore on live systems, not a problem for me, it is just > > an inconvenience. > > > I have to second this sentiment. Unless the dump/snapshot issue has > been resolved they journal should be turned off by default. > > It's a really nasty bug that causes an instant panic which is awful if > the server is in production. The fact that it happens when you're > trying to exercise due diligence (ie; backups) is even worse. You can disable SU+J after installing, though it would be nice if the installer gave you a choice.