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Date:      Fri, 9 Jul 1999 22:15:27 +0200
From:      Achim Patzner <ap@bnc.net>
To:        Julian Elischer <julian@whistle.com>
Cc:        Marc van Kempen <marc@bowtie.nl>, Gregory Sutter <gsutter@pobox.com>, Matthew Dillon <dillon@apollo.backplane.com>, freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: SMP comparisons
Message-ID:  <19990709221527.D17869@bnc.net>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.95.990709123547.26418A-100000@current1.whistle.com>; from Julian Elischer on Fri, Jul 09, 1999 at 12:43:25PM -0700
References:  <199907091036.MAA03701@bowtie.nl> <Pine.BSF.3.95.990709123547.26418A-100000@current1.whistle.com>

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On Fri, Jul 09, 1999 at 12:43:25PM -0700, Julian Elischer wrote:
> Basically there are two major groups of people in core as far as I can see
> on this issue..  those who rabidly don't want Matt to get commit privs. 

Sometimes I'm wondering who "the core" is anyway. But I just finished
rereading Dan Simmon's four Hyperion books. I guess Matt should stop working
for some weeks and read them too, just for the fun of it and watching the
holy core getting kicked around.

> They give many excuses but in my opinion the real reason is that they
> don't feel qualified to clean up after him if something goes wrong and are
> afraid that it might come to that, and those who have less strong feelings
> but don't want to go against those with strong feelings.

Applying all I learnt in a number of psychology classes I'd say they are
scared that he might be better.

> In my opinion almost everything else you hear is an excuse.

Excuses? I'm more and more getting the impression of little local tyrants
jealously guarding their territory. The last time this happened we suddenly
had FreeBSD. Sorry - the last time this happened we gained yet another *BSD
called OpenBSD. Great. I like this Balkanization. Instead of tackling the
problems with enough manpower every wheel has to be invented at least
thrice. And if the core is going on like this we'l probavly get yab.

> The main motivating factor for those who have strong feeling in the matter
> is fear. Either fear that -current will be destabilised (Well DUH,
> Helloooo, It's -current...) or fear that Matt will be a divisive
> influence.  (go figure) 

I'd second the second. And I guess the should ask themselves why people are
running -current on production machines...


Achim


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