From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 18 20:02:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24617106564A; Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:02:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from harmony.bsdimp.com (bsdimp.com [199.45.160.85]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B26BC8FC1B; Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:02:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.30.101.53] ([209.117.142.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by harmony.bsdimp.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p3IJxmkf041932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 18 Apr 2011 13:59:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: <4DAC8060.2070002@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 13:59:45 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <92422863-8655-4FDE-A1E9-5EE1F46DA5BC@bsdimp.com> References: <201104172103.p3HL3Ntb049564@svn.freebsd.org> <20110418070124.GA67934@freebsd.org> <8204A257-C8F6-4DCA-99EC-BE48BD9C84E7@bsdimp.com> <20110418181456.GB3097@garage.freebsd.pl> <4DAC8060.2070002@FreeBSD.org> To: Doug Barton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (harmony.bsdimp.com [10.0.0.6]); Mon, 18 Apr 2011 13:59:50 -0600 (MDT) Cc: src-committers@FreeBSD.org, Pawel Jakub Dawidek , Roman Divacky , Dimitry Andric , svn-src-head@FreeBSD.org, svn-src-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r220755 - in head: . contrib/gcc/doc contrib/gcc/objc contrib/libobjc etc/mtree gnu/lib gnu/lib/libobjc gnu/usr.bin/cc gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1obj gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools gnu/usr.bin/cc/doc s... X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:02:23 -0000 On Apr 18, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > On 04/18/2011 11:14, Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 11:06:42AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: >>>=20 >>> On Apr 18, 2011, at 1:01 AM, Roman Divacky wrote: >>>=20 >>>> please mark this in src/UPDATING, maybe bump freebsd_version too? >>>=20 >>> Please do not bump freebsd_version just for this. Ports wishing to = know can go off the last bump, if there are any. >>>=20 >>> Every freebsd_version bump forces rebuilding all modules and such = and is a pita. >>=20 >> I agree that this is a PITA, but there also should be a way to force >> module load even on version bump. This is PITA especially for >> developers. >=20 > .... who make up a tiny percentage of the FreeBSD user community. = Seriously? We're going to whine because version bumps cause a little = extra compile time? The problem usually manifests itself when I got to debug a new problem, = load a driver and find I have to rebuild everything else to use it, = which forces an extra reboot on the machine in question. Sometimes this = can be quite disruptive to other things that machine is doing. In this case, there was a new kernel thing just after, so it turned out = OK. But let's not gratuitously bump the version since the granularity = we have already allows the ports to make good choices on when to leave = something in or out. Warner