From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 4 11:32: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from rain.macguire.net (sense-sea-MegaSub-1-125.oz.net [216.39.144.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C580C37B41B for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:31:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from roo@localhost) by rain.macguire.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g34JW1C05160; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:32:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roo) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:32:01 -0800 From: Benjamin Krueger To: William Carrel Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anti-Unix Site Runs Unix Message-ID: <20020404113201.C2470@rain.macguire.net> References: <1AFD7E6F-47EB-11D6-BF98-003065D5E9A4@infospace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1AFD7E6F-47EB-11D6-BF98-003065D5E9A4@infospace.com>; from william.carrel@infospace.com on Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 08:43:34AM -0800 X-PGP-Key: http://www.macguire.net/benjamin/public_key.asc Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * William Carrel (william.carrel@infospace.com) [020404 08:43]: > On Thursday, April 4, 2002, at 07:18 AM, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > To summarize: > > > > A) Microsoft developers are smart > > B) Microsoft developers don't document their code > > C) Microsoft does not require developers to document their code > > D) Programmers who document their code are smart > > > > There are no conclusions possible based on the above four premises. > > Yeah, I obviously needed more caffeine when I wrote that... > > Although I stand by my conclusion regardless of my poor logic at 2 AM. > -- > William Carrel It's not a bad conclusion in that you're almost right on target. I'd almost say Microsoft hires a few very smart developers, coaxing them to stay with incredible benefits and salaries, and a whole lot of programmers, mostly fresh out of college, to write code en masse. (They can't get paid that badly either, a few folks I'm friends with host some kickass parties from their 1400 square foot apartment in downtown seattle. Wish I could afford to drop $2000 on a pad.) I've been to parties with both kinds of coders and being the inquisitive (nosy) guy I am, listened to a lot of Microsoft stories. My experience has been that developers at Microsoft design software internals, and programmers get assigned to write code. Maybe it'll get used, maybe not. Most of the programmers I've met were kids 2 or 3 years out of college. Some were still in the middle of learning things like XML or other technologies they would "soon be using at work". Microsoft seems very much to be a brute force code factory, churning code internally, and selling the end product to customers when another person from some far-off part of the company says go. -- Benjamin Krueger "Life is far too important a thing ever to talk seriously about." - Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Send mail w/ subject 'send public key' or query for (0x251A4B18) Fingerprint = A642 F299 C1C1 C828 F186 A851 CFF0 7711 251A 4B18 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message