From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 13:35:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12CCF1065672 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:35:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 918EB8FC0A for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:35:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so395143eek.13 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:35:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=T5z39CzohlxWtGFvvXwv3PW9kkXxS8gplLsLVQIZPK0=; b=SrmluIa4oh/byGJZIQBmoMkp7kh73j6qHMK/RotKgEoYsb5CDyivgfiXjNLKT6/dgJ HVJcKGfMMIdmmF+u1BckJAQffLoqOsfVJuPH1fvOS6Yv+XaavTk2DcfOlNciGMZLMHf8 RQmDf/6pHecWx2+O4axqO7cuweOwtmQDUPotG8YSeuK1lnp660bX7CHBnp7yQBdwVUiE 3rIuVkXaPMBmJ/3dT0Y+zB5KW4W2CLCH0QrH3oeaLsdJOcwDhMbU1yzlhgDjHQdfHuMr 30Q7ZIxwqjaigaa9G1WO+otVWPwxqXoqs1h1Hvs+62Lj83gf+ilS3PiJHNN0TkthQj/p XLNg== Received: by 10.14.53.65 with SMTP id f41mr8545988eec.179.1338471344692; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v46sm10596332eef.11.2012.05.31.06.35.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 May 2012 06:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FC773AE.1030906@my.gd> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 15:35:42 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Claus Guttesen References: <4FC742BF.4080005@my.gd> <20120531102127.GV39168@e-new.0x20.net> <80C9CF39-B4B2-4F2E-BC30-138BB692C91A@my.gd> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmUWSY3lEIUFQN/bHu1Oaptec/G0thG7djv4bOj12HMK5HmfLvfEONYKzWbrYlwFxddJRKP Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:35:46 -0000 On 5/31/12 1:20 PM, Claus Guttesen wrote: >>>> A regular debian update is 5 minutes + reboot >>>> A regular FBSD update is about 1.5 hour + 3 reboots (after >>>> installkernel, installworld, rebuild of ports) >>> >>> But how often do you need to >> >> As a matter of fact, too often, that's te problem. >> >> We have > 800 servers and I can't argue that debian's update process is much simpler and faster. > > Take a look at freebsd-update: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html. > This tracks release. > As I just replied to an off-list mail, we can't use binary upgrades because: 1/ we use custom kernels with a lot of the stuff stripped 2/ we pass custom options to ports, which excludes pre-compiled packages 3/ we don't track release, I'm trying to move our boxes away from it so we can get faster patches, we track 8-STABLE on most boxes