From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 17 13:50:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from doorman.brann.org (remote-brann-gw.nyc.dsl.access.net [166.84.145.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE3537B713 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:50:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@brann.org) Received: from freebie.brann.org (freebie.brann.org [10.0.0.2]) by doorman.brann.org (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24274; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:51:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from john@localhost) by freebie.brann.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA87051; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:50:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from john) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:50:34 -0500 From: John Brann To: Terry Lambert Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wow, it has been a while Message-ID: <20000317165034.B86459@freebie.brann.org> References: <20000317160515.A86674@freebie.brann.org> <200003172137.OAA21560@usr02.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200003172137.OAA21560@usr02.primenet.com>; from tlambert@primenet.com on Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 09:37:27PM +0000 Organization: Not while I'm at home X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-20000105-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 09:37:27PM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: [...SNIP...] > > > > I'm sure Terry Lambert would fulminate about my choices, and call down the > > judgement of heaven on the lack of orthogonality in the file-system stacking > > layers, but he too, represents a source of innovative thinking (and fine > > email commentary) in FreeBSD. > > Since my employer paid for the Soft Updates port, and since Soft > Updates was my suggestion on how to get rid of the heavy and > expensive UPS in the first generation product, and since I was > involved in the initial integration work, trouble shooting, etc., > I'm unlikely to call down the Wrath Of God on you for soft updates. > > That said, it could have been done somewhat differently, which would > have allowed exporting a transactioning interface to user space via > a stacking layer, and that would have been quite a coup for support > of databases which currently have to use raw partitions and do their > own transaction tracking on systems without one... > > 8-p > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > > I love it when a plan comes together - thanks for justifying my faith in you, Terry :) Incidentally, I agree wholeheartedly with your point about the value of a transactioning interface. It's also useful in the queue middleware world (where I earn my crust) - producing something like IBM's MQSeries, but lighter in weight - becomes a snip with the ability to rely on a disk transaction. I have fond memories of working with the Stratus VOS OS which had just such a facility. John -- Unreal City, Under the brown fog of a winter dawn, finger john@doorman.brann.org for pgp public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message