From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 9 10:04:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4500106566C; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 10:04:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jkois@FreeBSD.org) Received: from tux15.hoststar.at (tux15.hoststar.at [213.239.217.242]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C9848FC18; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 10:04:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (chello084115173108.graz.surfer.at [84.115.173.108]) (authenticated bits=0) by tux15.hoststar.at (8.13.8/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p29A47R4017180; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 11:04:08 +0100 Message-ID: <4D7750A0.6010705@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 11:04:16 +0100 From: Johann Kois Organization: FreeBSD Documentation Project User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 ThunderBrowse/3.3.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Remko Lodder References: <201103081746.p28HkCh0017043@repoman.freebsd.org> <20110308175140.GZ78089@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> <4D76746A.6050801@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: doc-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-doc@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig chapter.sgml X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: **OBSOLETE** CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 10:04:21 -0000 On 08.03.2011 19:48, Remko Lodder wrote: > > On Mar 8, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Johann Kois wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 03/08/2011 18:51, Kostik Belousov wrote: >>> On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 05:46:12PM +0000, Johann Kois wrote: >>>> jkois 2011-03-08 17:46:12 UTC >>>> >>>> FreeBSD doc repository >>>> >>>> Modified files: >>>> en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig chapter.sgml >>>> Log: >>>> PR: docs/150124 >>>> >>>> Fix/Update the instructions on "how to build a custom kernel". >>>> >>>> - The fact that you need the whole source tree for this is well hidden at the moment. >>> I do not believe this is true. Kernel should not have dependencies >>> outside sys/. >> >> Well that was definitely true in the old days. But things have changed >> a couple of years ago. >> >> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbfullook/kernelconfig/chapter.sgml >> (Revision 1.157). >> >> Or http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=75864 >> >> Regards. >> >> >> jkois > > > > With Kostik's response included; should we go for the 'alternatively to only build the kernel do the "old" mumbojumbo' ? > Hi all, what about some hard facts instead of "...may work..." "...should work..." and "...I believe..."? ;-) Can we guarantee 100 % that the "traditional method" still works? If not, then the "traditional way" should stay where it is now (in the developers handbook): http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/kernelbuild.html: "Up to version 4.X of FreeBSD this was the recommended way to build a new kernel. It can still be used on newer versions (instead of the “buildkernel” target of the toplevel /usr/src/ makefiles). Building the kernel this way may be useful when working on the kernel code and it may actually be faster than the “New” procedure when only a single option or two were tweaked in the kernel configuration file. On the other hand, it might lead to unexpected kernel build breakage when used by beginners on newer versions of FreeBSD." And the handbook (targeted not only but especially at new/less experienced users) should describe the method we have recommended for the last 5 years now (in the handbook and in the developers-handbook). Regards. jkois -- Johann Kois jkois(at)FreeBSD.org FreeBSD Documentation Project FreeBSD German Documentation Project - https://doc.bsdgroup.de