From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 10 10:38:23 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CCA71065679; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:38:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jules.stocks@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1578FC23; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:38:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz20 with SMTP id 20so2442325bwz.13 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 03:38:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3vaH7h1zGWS0hSOvdRgwScuZcXn+Tb8I8klfFQ59Ruw=; b=vPP70+KPh4jWcWbfPExhjln1Cou+mDTOiJ4YwOFxoxtL4dxPpwFztqc5fAplWLXAoE PXQpobls+9V5OExXvMHbIQt8j2t+caJTn89M3rIRpHEqee2bUKQfrJ4HB7OD4C3UEaAu /s9IBWp81+08lyBcfIDTKi6tlfn9+F7P/m9p4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=OSDBO2J1VGonieRPvScA6IEaT1rzMxAoi7FOpkSgx/6wSb4E3jmHUCuZUBdnFnVjBx jyDZ09AfU7wnI/GgLJ635/GWjod/S7KVe0KeEbwX7Ac3RWL2satFbLfXyKp/+qvTyZgD 4iN/Wme20DYrgUidnuZ57FlgOtgKuxMsznnF8= Received: by 10.204.64.78 with SMTP id d14mr430022bki.63.1284115101194; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 03:38:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.99.205 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 03:38:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <86pqwmlhdu.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <86pqwmlhdu.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> From: Jules Gilbert Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 06:38:00 -0400 Message-ID: To: "Randal L. Schwartz" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-java-request@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:38:23 -0000 Look, I'm just a user. I'm not a Java developer, not a language developer, not a run-time specialist. But folks, we got problems! I say this because it's becoming really hard to make Java run on a browser. I didn't even know that Google and Oracle weren't getting along, I really am out of date. (All I do is code.) But here's the thing: almost no one can make a java enabled browser, and lot's of us need exactly that, java running on our browsers. So obviously this means that something is seriously wrong -- and worse, when I asked "how", no one came back and said "Oh, you obviously didn't install such-and-such a patch, do that and everything will work." No, and worse, the responses are all about possible solutions in the distant not-known-when-and-only-maybe future. I do think we should all get behind this Beat fellow, he's beat@freebsd.org, his work seems closest to bringing up a java-enabled browser, with zero or at least few problems. --jg On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >>>>>> "Jules" =3D=3D Jules Gilbert writes: > > Jules> Now an opinion. =A0If Oracle isn't going to help us, we should loo= k > Jules> around for an alternative, even inventing something else, somethin= g > Jules> that isn't Sun/Oracle/Java. > > You mean something that looks like Java but isn't Java? > > That's precisely what the Oracle v. Google suit is about. =A0Dangerous > road to go down at this point. > > Or do you mean something that isn't even Java, but has a lot of > Java-like features? > > I think you're describing "everything else already available in > production". =A0Plenty of choices. > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 00= 95 > > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussi= on > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Fellow Christians!, Read Galatians, chapter three, verse 14. =A0Here Paul documents that Christians have been made part of God's original promise to Abraham, and that, because of Jesus, we are tied to these same promises. But don't for a moment imagine that God is done with the Jews!, no, God is even today working to fulfill every promise he made, even to save every person in Israel -- which God declares will be the case, for he say's that "all Israel will be saved." About this business with Iran... =A0Don't fret. =A0Jeremiah, who probably wrote the most about modern day Iran, advises us, beginning in chapter 34, verse 49, that Iran is going to lose big. =A0Yes, one day both Egypt and Iran, in fact all of south-Asia be a community of Christian nations. =A0(Both Isaiah and Zechariah make similar statements.) =A0In fact Zechariah say's that Gazan's will one day be elected, freely elected by Jews, to high offices in Israel. =A0Imagine that! But as my wife just told me! when I tried this on her, people aren't saved (or even helped,) by knowledge of prophecy, no, real assistance from the God of the Bible comes only one way; =A0By tying oneself to Jesus, by asking to partner with him. =A0He is the basis of help, of love, and change that brings with it God's love and assistance.