From owner-freebsd-current Wed Sep 5 13:27: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 899A637B409; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f85KQMT01716; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:26:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) To: daniel.sobral@tcoip.com.br Cc: obrien@freebsd.org, dcs@tcoip.com.br, msmith@freebsd.org, yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp, dcs@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: ACPI CHANGES AFFECTING MOST -CURRENT USERS In-Reply-To: <3B967514.1040508@tcoip.com.br> References: <200109041248.f84CmOa21358@mail.tcoip.com.br> <20010905092840.B96880@dragon.nuxi.com> <3B967514.1040508@tcoip.com.br> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010905132622F.jkh@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 13:26:22 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 25 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: "Daniel C. Sobral" Subject: Re: HEADS UP: ACPI CHANGES AFFECTING MOST -CURRENT USERS Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 15:55:16 -0300 > I myself questioned the wisdom of using Forth at the time, and Jordan > simply replied I was free to find a more popular language with a freely > available interpreter that would fit in as small a space as FICL did. I also have to question the assertion that the community of people who understand or have even a passing familiarity with this sort of thing [a forth-based loader] is miniscule. OpenBoot, for example, is entirely forth-based (c.f. Mitch Bradley). Every machine Sun has ever shipped in any serious quantity has OpenBoot as its loader. Every machine Apple has shipped within recent memory also has OpenBoot as its loader. Between those two companies, they have shipped millions of OpenBoot-using machines and have a combined userbase which probably exceeds FreeBSD's by quite a few million. FreeBSD is simply following an well-established trend for boot loaders here rather than going its own way, and if we were to use Ruby as our boot loader then I'm sure a lot of Japanese people would be very happy but it would also make us utterly unique, a decision of even more questionable wisdom. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message