From owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 14 20:59:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF15106566B for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:59:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout029.mac.com (asmtpout029.mac.com [17.148.16.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B458FC14 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:59:46 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp029.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 64bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0LF1008U86BL7X70@asmtp029.mac.com> for freebsd-net@freebsd.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:59:46 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1101140129 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-01-14_08:2011-01-14, 2011-01-14, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <20110114204810.Y28741@besplex.bde.org> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:59:45 -0800 Message-id: <83F77456-6626-4315-B4FB-272569EE1946@mac.com> References: <20100729215649.GB2615@icir.org> <20110103210209.GA13091@icir.org> <4D2E66C4.5090607@greatbaysoftware.com> <4D2F20BB.5080204@greatbaysoftware.com> <4D2F71BE.2080801@greatbaysoftware.com> <0B45B324-A819-4230-BBE3-F8468F2DA88F@mac.com> <20110114154326.E27511@besplex.bde.org> <54D25D8E-ED8C-41E8-BD14-4EB86F4D63C3@mac.com> <20110114204810.Y28741@besplex.bde.org> To: Bruce Evans X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: freebsd-net Subject: [OT] Re: igb watchdog timeouts X-BeenThere: freebsd-net@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Networking and TCP/IP with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:59:47 -0000 On Jan 14, 2011, at 2:12 AM, Bruce Evans wrote: >> On a good day, my MUA sends "Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed" and should contain line breaks following the 80-character-per-line Usenet conventions, which modern MUAs might well reassemble based upon the user's window size. If it is being re-interpreted after transmission by MTAs, mailing-list MIME filters, or similar, well, that lies beyond my control. > > Strangely, my MUA is sending format=flowed, etc., but mails received > from you don't have it. So when I reply to you and Cc me, then there > are enough newlines in the now-doubly-quoted original in the Cc. You're right. After checking, it seems like Mail.app stopped emitting format=flowed around 10.6.3, and $REALJOB requirements mean I'm stuck using it as I need to deal with localized text from many languages frequently. [1] > format=flowed apparently even fixes up the quotes, so there are enough > quotes too. But I don't like this. Letting the MUA change the format > will mangle source code, diffs and some types of quotes. Well, source code, diffs, and such could be attached as MIME enclosures, which will insulate them from quote-based reformatting. Unfortunately, unless one is careful with the content-types used, the FreeBSD mailing list software might decide to strip them.... Regards, -- -Chuck [1]: Mozilla's Thunderbird does fine for the Latin-1 families & UTF-8 encodings, but it doesn't handle UTF-16 text or attachments (ja-JP / ISO-2022-JP or zh-CN & zh-TW in Big5 or GBK) correctly.