From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sat Sep 30 23:47:49 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664E3E31C7E for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2017 23:47:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rcarter@pinyon.org) Received: from h2.pinyon.org (h2.pinyon.org [65.101.20.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DE8E84AB1 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2017 23:47:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rcarter@pinyon.org) Received: by h2.pinyon.org (Postfix, from userid 58) id B1C601BA26; Sat, 30 Sep 2017 16:37:49 -0700 (MST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=pinyon.org; s=DKIM; t=1506814669; bh=drNajCw5URtWeMyOAMtBTigYkWVeBiI5W5BRJbCZd1M=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=b0/5/M97tfHWU5I+aONkYCkiAGUNkKe+tFixdgGjQbvM/2U+po63oCorDJoQOKxeT d9FkJvb+WLzhAOSOcWyiTntDqj1jZYRVwqx9fVIJ/5/uMePJyLBoO36CWp5x8DSdwM VdNP6BRN1nzmHSlr52UJtEMj4E7XvgIyZMotiit8= X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on h2.n1.pinyon.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, URIBL_BLOCKED shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from [10.0.10.15] (h1.pinyon.org [65.101.20.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by h2.pinyon.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 64CD71BA09 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2017 16:37:48 -0700 (MST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=pinyon.org; s=DKIM; t=1506814668; bh=drNajCw5URtWeMyOAMtBTigYkWVeBiI5W5BRJbCZd1M=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=SvwMPrJlRKOAAm2HZCeUneUj0xXAnivoens/n+3Gguym7KriJN2HL7m2ePCpSwWJW gJZ9L2sEC+jyKShDzoI+MAPUHVFAfeX57Tt9XfBZ3qhzXPHAYiAzVnHCY9v3509uFY EI/tp8BZJoplKpRSjEm9h6DzH6Gj/fvPmjncuGa4= Subject: Re: Status of portupgrade and portmaster? To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <81D84A650858BA40BF6936408052E6BC0138263988@msgdb11.utad.utoledo.edu> <20170929182305.GE86601@home.opsec.eu> <20170929183448.GA175@gmail.com> <77334fc4-b64e-45ed-a443-4076e47acee3@BY2NAM03FT029.eop-NAM03.prod.protection.outlook.com> From: "Russell L. Carter" Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 16:37:48 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 23:47:49 -0000 On 09/30/17 10:06, Kevin Oberman wrote: > On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 3:34 AM, Carmel NY wrote: > [...] > As a result, I am no longer able to track HEAD and, if the issue is not > resolved in some manner before 11 support ends, will be forced to move from > FreeBSD after an using it for over 2 decades. I certainly hope that this is > not what happens. If minimizing the size of the physical machines you have access to is a hard constraint, then a remote binary package linux distro would definitely decrease your pain level. However, the trade-off is someone else selecting your package options. (NB: I haven't used arch) Indeed, my disposable travel laptop is debian. Yet I try doing as much real work as I can on FreeBSD because the packaging system is world class flexible. I *loved*, possibly too much, the ability to nuke kerberos out of my world, both base OS and packages. Try doing that on debian. But FreeBSD packaging flexibility comes at a cost, and that's mainly cpu and memory when running poudriere. In these days of giant && cheap && reasonably fast USB storage, I have a hard time giving credence to disk usage complaints. For FreeBSD's packaging flexibility, I am willing to invest what in real dollars is a fraction of what we were spending in the middle '90s just to get adequate hardware to run FreeBSD. It really doesn't take much. I've given away half a dozen boxes for free to people over the last 10 years, that would support poudriere just fine (2-4 threads, 8-16GB) because used white boxes seem to have nearly no retrievable value. Not an elegant physical package like a laptop, but *who cares*. I am piping up because when I was restarting using FreeBSD after many years (refugee from debian), you were an invaluable source of help to me, and of course quite a few others. It would be sad to lose your positive contributions to the community over this issue. All the best, Russell > -- > Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer > E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com > PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >