From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 18:44:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90788106566C; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:44:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E366E8FC08; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:44:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4VIilx1025563; Sun, 31 May 2009 20:44:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4VIikjn025560; Sun, 31 May 2009 20:44:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 20:44:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Ion-Mihai Tetcu In-Reply-To: <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Manolis Kiagias , Gary Gatten , Chuck Robey , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:44:57 -0000 >> >> Where are this rules defined? > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/mailing-list-faq/etiquette.html > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/ first - good that's proper definition of hacker explained. --- FreeBSD-questions is a mailing list maintained by the FreeBSD project to help people who have questions about the normal use of FreeBSD. --- while i still don't agree that many of things done is "normal use of freebsd" but that's my point of view. So: - it's fine here to ask about mysql5 or mysql6 as it is normal view of FreeBSD. - it's not fine here to ask about sponsoring as it's not normal (and any) use of FreeBSD. - it's fine both to ask here about how to switch from windows, and presenting my point of view about this idea. I think we finally agree, So i will subscribe to FreeBSD-hackers, but with some fear. i don't classify myself as a FreeBSD-hacker. I understand C and can code, but everytime i like to do even smallest modification in kernel it's quite time consuming, as it's really very complex amount of code. > >> best with moderation BUT EVEN WITHOUT, but with clearly defined rules >> on webpage it could be efficient. > > Let's make a test case: please compare your emails with the rules and > suggestions in above two articles. Already did. And until we started to argue about moderation, it's mostly compliant. Then - it was not. For mostly two reasons. First - because i was attacked when presenting my opinion, just because it was not "mainstream" (but not aggressive). Second - after it continued i wanted You to start moderation. > > We spend a few hours per day *working* on improving FreeBSD, doing also > moderating is just to much. First - thank you very much for this. I'm a happy user of YOUR WORK, and i wish you will keep this as good as now in future, as there is no other unix that i don't consider crap today. i think i could find more people if you decide to start moderation. Whatever this people personal preferences are - won't matter as they would be just executors of rules defined by YOU. Just please contact me and tell beforehand, i will start asking people privately, having timezones in mind. So you will not need any extra work. > Besides, we expect people to behave intelligently and politely. Life > keeps contradicting us it seems :-[ Agreed. >>>> I already sent a mail to one developer but got no response. Maybe >>>> he is just busy or absent, anyway what's the best address for this. > > Please contact donations@ OK. >> OK so fuck off Boris, but we were talking some time ago about dumping >> potential sponsors ;) > > Watch you language please. Such language is used on special cases like this. So please replace this words with other with the same meaning :)