From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 19 11:25:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26601065670; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 11:25:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23108FC18; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 11:25:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnq2 with SMTP id q2so350261ggn.13 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 04:25:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=aHOoWny7zMq/7NMamD5k4SM0v7OCcCsUWDDpU7mBqDM=; b=aPLmDt3AErAlUcATEZMIMigZtbF4Cqvwt+CbuM/vX43WeUcwtCThNDJCT9r/3yDAwL 0iQX++KI+PESac0YrywdQu0q67I+ot+Pql0E+ZAN199QwIRAWf1fkMOWNxCe1sPHpSmA ufrLlD4VJZsrFBCCflYyNBE71j+XFwLAENj/E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.133.241 with SMTP id q77mr6128324yhi.117.1319023551211; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 04:25:51 -0700 (PDT) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.236.95.147 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 04:25:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20111014160548.GD5065@albert.catwhisker.org> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 19:25:51 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: RUaq-Ofos3qhqutm9aqSULI8TIw Message-ID: From: Adrian Chadd To: Pavel Timofeev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: x.0 RELASE isn't for production. X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 11:25:52 -0000 On 19 October 2011 15:42, Pavel Timofeev wrote: > =) Thats why we don't have much people in FreeBSD. FreeBSD for users? or > developers? > The big problem is that these conversations are not wanted everyone. > Nobody cares. For example, Vadim Goncharov wrote big mail with description > of various problems in FreeBSD (organozation|system|ports|etc). Big > consersation and all forgotten. Nothing has changed and will not change. Oh the conversations are wanted. People to build solutions to problems are more wanted. Some of what Vadim mentioned is being addressed (ports/package infrastructure.) The other stuff is likely up for discussion post 9.0-RELEASE. Remember - best way to help is to grab a problem and hack on it until it's fixed. There's only so much that discussion, planning and more discussion can do. (Unless you're an AI researcher and can write systems to take discussion/planning and output code. Then we'd all love to hear from you.) Adrian