From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 4 07:39:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E2016A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 07:39:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (f170.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FFE043D39 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 07:39:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j247dVcL014891; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:39:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: "Perry E. Metzger" From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:45:53 EST." <87bra0grwe.fsf@snark.piermont.com> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:39:31 +0100 Message-ID: <14890.1109921971@critter.freebsd.dk> Sender: phk@critter.freebsd.dk cc: ALeine cc: tech-security@NetBSD.org cc: elric@imrryr.org cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: ticso@cicely.de Subject: Re: FUD about CGD and GBDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 07:39:48 -0000 In message <87bra0grwe.fsf@snark.piermont.com>, "Perry E. Metzger" writes: >My strong suggestion for you is that you adopt a similar approach -- >build a good framework that, given good algorithms, will provide >security, and make it easy for users to change over if an algorithm >falls. If you actually look at GBDE, you will see that any and all of the algorithms can be changed. They are used only in their most basic capability. This was part of the design from the start: not to rely on any single-source algorithm. >Well, so is stock AES 256. I don't see why I should assume your >construction is any better. What do you know that the NIST/NSA review >of AES did not know? That neither the authors of Rinjdael, its reviewers, nor NIST are willing to offer a 25 year warranty on it. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.