From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Dec 21 09:17:16 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D92E88B08 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 09:17:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Received: from hz.grosbein.net (hz.grosbein.net [78.47.246.247]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hz.grosbein.net", Issuer "hz.grosbein.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E82F67E6C9; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 09:17:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Received: from eg.sd.rdtc.ru (root@eg.sd.rdtc.ru [62.231.161.221] (may be forged)) by hz.grosbein.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id vBL9GwEa010128 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 21 Dec 2017 10:16:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) X-Envelope-From: eugen@grosbein.net X-Envelope-To: matthias.andree@gmx.de Received: from eg.sd.rdtc.ru (eugen@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eg.sd.rdtc.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vBL9GlGx075704; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:16:47 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Subject: Re: Procmail got updated! To: Matthias Andree , Adam Weinberger References: <5A39F7C9.1030800@grosbein.net> <05504d3c-3225-e83f-8f10-225319421a35@gmx.de> Cc: Ted Hatfield , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Sunpoet Po-Chuan Hsieh From: Eugene Grosbein X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <5A3B7BFF.2020202@grosbein.net> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:16:47 +0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, LOCAL_FROM, RDNS_NONE, T_DATE_IN_FUTURE_Q_PLUS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Report: * 0.0 T_DATE_IN_FUTURE_Q_PLUS Date: is over 4 months after Received: date * -2.3 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% * [score: 0.0000] * 1.9 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS * 2.6 LOCAL_FROM From my domains X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on hz.grosbein.net X-Spam-Level: ** X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 09:17:16 -0000 On 21.12.2017 14:24, Matthias Andree wrote: >>>> What happened with old good "Tools, not policy" thing? >>> >>> It's simpler than that, no policy involved. >>> >>> The tool had a hollow head, and broke after several years of banging it, >>> and the former tool maker told the public it's out of warranty (never >>> was in due to it being free) and not being fixed any more, and should be >>> scrapped. >> >> I'm a little unsettled by this discussion, because it is moving into >> territory with which we have very little precedent. And the precedent >> that it would establish is not wholly within our mandate. >> >> FreeBSD ports provides the best available versions of software to run >> on FreeBSD---we have traditionally been very conservative in >> deprecating software. The mere fact that there are better alternatives >> is not sufficient reason to take it away from people. When it ceases >> to work, or is intolerably dangerous, then it is incumbent upon us to >> act. You know far, far more about the intricacies of email than I do, >> Matthias, so please correct me if I am incorrect here, but I'm not >> aware of procmail being unsuitably dangerous for admins who make a >> conscious decision to use it. >> > > is all it > needs to mount the various mentioned cases, such as dangerous, bitrotten > and whatever other arguments have been asked for. > > Given two CVEs and another crasher fixed in 3.22_5, that is reason > enough to reconsider. We either need to take responsibility and have the > port audited and someone paid to maintain it properly, or remove it, or > at least we need to move it into the poison cabinet and lock it up (i. > e. set DEPRECATED due to missing upstream maintenance and FORBIDDEN + > NOPACKAGE due to it being dangerous), > > This is not to belittle ache@ (until 2011) or sunpoet@s and the > contributors' efforts, but really about the upstream software that we > are shipping. We do not "ship" procmail. It is not part of FreeBSD. It is third-party software packaged for user's convenience without any guarantee. So, you demand we stop shipping any unmaintained software with our Ports & Packages? Absence of CVEs means nothing and almost any non-trivial software has bugs (axiom).