From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 5 0: 2:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C7F37B400 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 00:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org (hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org [64.239.180.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7BB43E3B for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 00:02:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) Received: from hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8572S190003; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 00:02:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org) Message-Id: <200209050702.g8572S190003@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Neal E. Westfall" Cc: Terry Lambert , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 00:02:23 -0700 From: Dave Hayes Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Neal E Westfall writes: > On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Dave Hayes wrote: >> Neal E Westfall writes: >> > Basically, its not that "God" cannot be rationally proven as much as >> > the fact that without God, nothing could be proven at all. Hence, >> > God is proven from the impossibility of the contrary. It is >> > unreasonable to reject that which is the foundation for everything >> > else. >> >> The fact that a proof either way is necessary, and takes precedence >> over the obvious and observable, is how Mankind got -into- this mess in >> the first place. ;) > > I never said that proof was *necessary*, at least not from a logical > standpoint. But given that man is in intellectual darkness and > attempts to "suppress the truth in unrighteousness" it becomes > necessary to remove self-imposed stumbling blocks that prevent him > from seeing the truth. ;-) This implies that man can see the stumbling blocks in order to remove them. Typically the first thing that has to be done is to teach man a course in sight, before man can see the stumbling blocks man has to remove. Then the question becomes how to remove them. ------ Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<< There is a saying: "I believe it because it is impossible" If you make any study of people in a state of what they are pleased to call belief, you will find that you can usually best describe them by the saying: "My belief has made me impossible." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message