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Date:      Fri, 5 Jan 2018 11:11:49 -0800
From:      Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com>
To:        Eric McCorkle <eric@metricspace.net>,  Jules Gilbert <repeatable_compression@yahoo.com>,  "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg@tristatelogic.com>,  Freebsd Security <freebsd-security@freebsd.org>,  Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>,  =?Windows-1252?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= <des@des.no>,  Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>,  "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org>,  FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>,  Shawn Webb <shawn.webb@hardenedbsd.org>,  Nathan Whitehorn <nwhitehorn@freebsd.org>
Subject:   RE: Intel hardware bug
Message-ID:  <20180105191145.404BC335@spqr.komquats.com>

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According to a Red Hat announcement, Power and Series z are also vulnerable=
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Cy Schubert
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The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Eric McCorkle
Sent: 05/01/2018 04:48
To: Jules Gilbert; Ronald F. Guilmette; Freebsd Security; Brett Glass; Dag-=
Erling Sm=F8rgrav; Poul-Henning Kamp; freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; FreeBSD Hac=
kers; Shawn Webb; Nathan Whitehorn
Subject: Re: Intel hardware bug

On 01/05/2018 05:07, Jules Gilbert wrote:
> Sorry guys, you just convinced me that no one, not the NSA, not the FSB,
> no one!, has in the past, or will in the future be able to exploit this
> to actually do something not nice.

Attacks have already been demonstrated, pulling secrets out of kernel
space with meltdown and http headers/passwords out of a browser with
spectre.  Javascript PoCs are already in existence, and we can expect
them to find their way into adware-based malware within a week or two.

Also, I'd be willing to bet you a year's rent that certain three-letter
organizations have known about and used this for some time.

> So what is this, really?, it's a market exploit opportunity for AMD.

Don't bet on it.  There's reports of AMD vulnerabilities, also for ARM.
I doubt any major architecture is going to make it out unscathed.  (But
if one does, my money's on Power)
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