From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 20:07:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDAE116A4CE for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:07:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E4F43D46 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:07:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 136B11C000A0 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:07:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DA9601C00095 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:07:33 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050317200733895.DA9601C00095@mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:07:33 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1432499378.20050317210733@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2fd864e05031704593c07d6c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050315104454.W574@dru.domain.org> <20050315101228.Q25559@knight.ixsystems.net> <793354858.20050315202057@wanadoo.fr> <42383D1F.20005@makeworld.com> <2fd864e05031704593c07d6c1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:22:01 +0000 Subject: Re: BSD Certification Group press release X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:07:36 -0000 Astrodog writes: > Have you considered, that a certification program done in an open > manner could be incredibly helpful for FreeBSD? If so, it would be a historical first. I've never seen any certification program do that for anything. > You're making some rather large assumptions, the primary one being > that the creation and design of the certification tests will be closed > and no one except the arbiters will be involved. I think it's safe to assume that the group creating and designing the tests will be far smaller than the group expected to take and pass the tests. And offhand I can't think of who would actually be objectively qualified to design the tests in the first place. > The reason certifications are required in some cases is that lets face > it, you COULD be full of shit and know nothing about whatever product > it is. Not if an employer or client investigates your claims. And if he doesn't, certification won't make any difference, anyway. I'm not even sure what you'd certify for FreeBSD ... it's practically identical to the other BSDs, which in turn are practically identical to all other forms of UNIX. Why would anyone seek out a FreeBSD or BSD certification _specifically_? > Not only does this hurt whoever hires you, but it hurts whoever > provides the product you're lying about. If people lie about experience and their clients don't check up, what would prevent them from lying about certification (which their clients wouldn't check up, either)? > As far as the last comment.... People complain about certifications? Some do. Certifications, like unions, are attempts to artificially inflate and/or support a job market through closed-shop restrictions. -- Anthony