From owner-freebsd-security@freebsd.org Wed Nov 11 00:32:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F143A2C9B0; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 00:32:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdrewery@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:87]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD581F45; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 00:32:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdrewery@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.xzibition.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 837B817BA; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 00:32:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdrewery@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.xzibition.com (localhost [172.31.3.2]) by mail.xzibition.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FBBF15E83; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 00:32:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.xzibition.com Received: from mail.xzibition.com ([172.31.3.2]) by mail.xzibition.com (mail.xzibition.com [172.31.3.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with LMTP id qqn1zug6l4wD; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 00:32:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: OpenSSH HPN DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.9.2 mail.xzibition.com A8CE515E7C To: John-Mark Gurney , =?UTF-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=c3=b8rgrav?= References: <86io5a9ome.fsf@desk.des.no> <20151110175216.GN65715@funkthat.com> Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-security@freebsd.org From: Bryan Drewery Organization: FreeBSD Message-ID: <56428C84.8050600@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 16:32:04 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20151110175216.GN65715@funkthat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 02:03:17 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 00:32:07 -0000 On 11/10/15 9:52 AM, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > My vote is to remove the HPN patches. First, the NONE cipher made more > sense back when we didn't have AES-NI widely available, and you were > seriously limited by it's performance. Now we have both aes-gcm and > chacha-poly which it's performance should be more than acceptable for > today's uses (i.e. cipher performance is 2GB/sec+). AES-NI doesn't help the absurdity of double-encrypting when using scp or rsync/ssh over an encrypted VPN, which is where NONE makes sense to use for me. -- Regards, Bryan Drewery