Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 14:00:57 -0600 From: "Sloan, Kyle" <ksloan@datatimes.com> To: "'pat.groce@state.sd.us'" <pat.groce@state.sd.us> Cc: "'freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG'" <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: RE: unix is a problem: free bsd doesn't help Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=UMI%l=OKC-NT02-981109200057Z-907@okc-nt02.umi.bhowell.com>
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Basically, another Micro$oft luser. For starters, it ran fine for 4 years. You knew enough to backup the "important" files, but not the system. Ever hear of the dump command? I guess that since the system was 4 years old, can we then assume that you're still running Windows 3.11? Maybe it's common practice to have systems installed, but not have any of the installation media.... You are blaming us for _YOUR_ lack of knowledge. Face it: * Odds are, the OS was out of rev * You didn't make a system backup * You didn't have installation media for your release * You chose to install a different rev than was previously installed * You don't pay enough attention to the OS to know that 3.0 is development Now, you can use your cute little artsy-farts GUI to configure "Sendmail for NT", recode all of your majordomo listserves into Exchange, and replace the boxes since you're "upgrading" to Windows NT. And so far as your comment about FreeBSD not holding a candle to NT.... let's see anything Microsoft makes you pay money for beat a free operating system. I have yet to see an NT system have the uptime or reliability of a FreeBSD system. If you don't know better than to have a full system backup, then you sure as hell aren't a sysadmin at any company I've worked for. And if you need a GUI to configure things, then go buy Microsoft. After all, it's the OS that's designed for the lowest common denominator in the gene pool. Kyle Sloan Data Communications Engineer Oklahoma City Operations UMI - A Bell & Howell Company Direct 405.601.6969 Fax 405.601.6800 -----Original Message----- From: pat.groce@state.sd.us [mailto:pat.groce@state.sd.us] Sent: Monday, November 09, 1998 11:30 AM To: jlemon@americantv.com; pat.groce@state.sd.us Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: unix is a problem: free bsd doesn't help I couldn't get anything but 3.0 over the net. I mean i download boot.flp and fdimage.exe, made my install disk, and 3.0 was what i got. DON'T BLAME ME, I DID EVERYTHING THE WWW.FREEBD.ORG TOLD ME TO FOR AN INSTALL. Why didn't the web site or setup program warn me not to install 3.0? The web page at http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/install.html made it all sound so simple. I didn't know there were hidden issues! If the system isn't configured correctly its FREEBSD'S fault! Why can't a fresh install even stand on two legs? So what if its out of disk space? Not my fault. It should have configured the partitions correctly from the first place. What a joke! And you're blaming ME for the system having problems? ADMIT IT! FREEBSD CAN NEVER HOLD A CANDLE TO NT. ONLY A MOUNTAIN TROLL WHO SPENDS HIS DAYS SLOBBERING OVER A KEYBOARD HACKING SYSTEM CODE COULD EVER GET IT WORKING. This os is not for the business world! -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Lemon [mailto:jlemon@americantv.com] Sent: Monday, November 09, 1998 10:27 AM To: pat.groce@state.sd.us Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: unix is a problem: free bsd doesn't help On Nov 11, 1998 at 10:01:11AM -0600, pat.groce@state.sd.us wrote: > We had been running freebsd for 4 years to handle our internet email. Last > week the hard drive crashed on the system. I had a tape backup of important > files so i reinstalled using the new freebsd 3.0 version. Let me get this straight; You had a system crash, so instead of re-installing a known good system, you upgrade a production system to the bleeding edge (3.0) without any prior testing? Honestly, this was a mistake, and the version that should have been installed was installed was 2.2.7. > cryptic errors. Sendmail keeps giving me an error: > sendmail[131]: NOQUEUE: low on space (have 0, SMTP-DAEMON needs 101 in > /var/spool/mqueue) So, sendmail gives you an error message saying that it is out of disk space, and you blame it on sendmail? No offense, but it sounds to me like the system isn't configured correctly. > To hell with FreeBSD. We are replacing all of the systems with NT versions > of sendmail. And it works great! I neat little GUI makes sendmail and the > Exchange listservs easy to manage.The software may cost more, but in terms > of staff time, we're saving thousands, not to mention all the frustration. > > I read all the news on how unix is going to give microsoft a run for the > operating system market. I don't believe it for a second. You are welcome to your opinion. If NT works better for you, then by all means, use it. FreeBSD is powerful, and can do anything that you want it to do. However, it setting it up and maintaining it does require more knowledge on the administrator's part than NT. In return, it can provide "years of trouble-free operation"(tm). You did note that FreeBSD handled your email for 4 years before a harddrive crash. Please feel free to give us a summary in 4 years from now of how well NT behaves in doing the same task. -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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