From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 12 18:37:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14284 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:37:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (news-ma.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.90.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA14270 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:37:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de) Received: from mips.rhein-neckar.de (uucp@localhost) by news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with bsmtp id DAA29616 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 03:37:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de) Received: by mips.rhein-neckar.de id m10BTnP-000WydC (Debian Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2); Sat, 13 Feb 1999 02:22:59 +0100 (CET) From: naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: Linus on IRC Date: 13 Feb 1999 02:22:56 +0100 Message-ID: <7a2k5g$mgp$1@mips.rhein-neckar.de> References: <79t6uv$1kq$1@mips.rhein-neckar.de> <199902111005.FAA03785@y.dyson.net> To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John S. Dyson wrote: > The above notion that "BSD" isn't on their map has been true even for the > last 3 or so years (per my conversations with the indoctorinated.) Yes. Does this surprise you? In the big picture, BSD certainly was less visible then than it is now. You might argue that it should have been more prominent to the few people who delt with an equally invisible Linux back then, but I'm not sure that holds any water. > It is part of both a strategy of the advocates, and partly a result of > the lack of information of those who know nothing else. I don't think anybody is advocating against BSD. Nobody used to advocate against Linux either. People used to shrug, "Linux, what's that?", "does it run MS DOS/Windows software?", "there aren't any applications for it, are there?", "those are just a few hackers in a barn, they can't compete with the professionalism and support of a commercial organization". BSD is still at that level, that's all. Ironically enough, the Linux community, if pointed to it, looks at BSD just the way other people used to look at Linux not that long ago. Linux, on the other hand, has by now grown into big enough a target that people feel compelled to actually advocate against it. > One of the best ways to put down what you think the competition might be, is > to assert their being inconsequential. Linux use isn't growing, it's exploding. That may be the case for BSD too, but it's at a much earlier point on the curve. The Linux advocates have no reason to look at BSD as a competitor. The BSD advocates of course feel smothered. > The key is to not become angry, but simply ignore the political > statements of those with the agenda, and the ignorance of those who > know no better. I see less of an agenda out there than you do, but yes, I basically agree with this. > The best way to combat the ignorance is to present a less narrow view > of the world. Indeed. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de >H Deutsche Transhumanismus-Mailingliste echo 'subscribe trans-de' | mail majordomo@lists.rhein-neckar.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message