Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 20:21:14 -0600 From: Justin Hibbits <jhibbits@FreeBSD.org> To: Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com> Cc: Matthew Macy <mmacy@freebsd.org>, Alan Somers <asomers@freebsd.org>, crees@physics.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, alex.mckeever@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: Common Desktop Environment broken when compiling from ports tree on FreeBSD 12 RC3 (May also apply to the final build) Message-ID: <20181216202114.6fe4ea7c@ralga.knownspace> In-Reply-To: <20181217015422.GC14204@lonesome.com> References: <8A726C0B-CF1F-4580-A76D-7D75CAB1CA49@sbcglobal.net> <CAOtMX2ha94ugmbL3N8KxMoxf-nFOo3YaByBWyjoboSLfrETKOA@mail.gmail.com> <CAPrugNpmOp=iP5REYNP2OckaNKy2i6TDO1A30QKDN=PaWR51DA@mail.gmail.com> <20181217015422.GC14204@lonesome.com>
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 01:54:22 +0000 Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com> wrote: > If we are talking powerpc32 and not powerpc64 (as I assumed), the one > developer continuing to actively work on it is jhibbits@. Perhaps he > can give you a status report. > > mcl I really wish people would stop saying "XXX is dying". It's an overused trope (See all the "Netcraft confirms" memes). Yes, there are no new powerpc32 devices being produced, but there is still a lot of life left in old macs. Personally, I haven't been keeping up on powerpc32 for a while, but not much has happened in driver-land, and I've been focusing my 32-bit efforts on the Book-E world, which still does have some life to it, and will continue to exist for at least another 7 years due to NXP's product longevity program. Doesn't mean there will be new devices made around them, but they will continue to exist. Although the vast majority of powerpc effort as of late has been in the powerpc64 port, my Book-E efforts on the 32-bit side have been on the powerpcspe port. It's still 32-bit, and anything that would generally affect 32-bit will affect powerpcspe, so any bugs fixed for powerpcspe should fix general powerpc. We are bringing 64-bit package builders online in the FreeBSD cluster, and as you probably know, 64-bit powerpc can run 32-bit binaries just fine. So, when the builders are stable, we might add 32-bit jails as well to crank out packages. That said, don't expect that any time soon. 32-bit powerpc will never be Tier 1, and very well may go away in the next 10-15 years, but I will not claim to predict the future on it. powerpc64 is headed in the direction of Tier 1, but that's still a long crawl itself. Alex, if you find bugs, please file bug reports so they can at least be tracked. You can try to build the broken ports either by deleting the BROKEN line in the Makefile, or through some poudriere or make variable trickery (don't recall how in either case off-hand). That would let us at least know why it's broken. And, yes, I am generally considered the keeper of all things powerpc, and a strong advocate of such. I really should get my PowerMac G4, and PowerBooks (yes, plural) up to latest head, but have little time, so it becomes lower priority until needed. - Justin
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