From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 15:07:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC3E8106567F for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:07:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mad@madpilot.net) Received: from megatron.madpilot.net (megatron.madpilot.net [88.149.173.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F008FC0A for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:07:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mad@madpilot.net) Received: by megatron.madpilot.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 77792130C73; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:07:36 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:07:36 +0200 From: Guido Falsi To: Dan Allen Message-ID: <20080904150736.GA35003@megatron.madpilot.net> References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <48BF23D3.2070509@brianwhalen.net> <20080904134305.GC1188@atarininja.org> <48BFEF26.2070405@pingle.org> <7BDBF15A-A8E2-424C-9988-043B6A70F541@airwired.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7BDBF15A-A8E2-424C-9988-043B6A70F541@airwired.net> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Wesley Shields Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:07:37 -0000 On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 08:58:27AM -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > > I hope everyone realizes that I am not trying to "de-server" FreeBSD. I > just remember how daunting it was for me to get X setup when all I > wanted to use was a web browser when I was new to it all. > > The early BSD releases had a simple check box to add X support and it > all just worked. That was COOL. That is what I am hoping to get back > into BSD. But setting X up now is perhaps even harder than what it used to be, and common user expectation are higher. You can't get away by just installing a vesa server...People would telle you it's slow, they would expect the system to already accelerated drivers, if available. Sure Vesa Xserver is more than enough for firefox....But newbies need to understand they will have to manually tweak xorg.conf anyway if they want a really working X setup. -- Guido Falsi