From owner-freebsd-current Sun Mar 24 13:25:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail-relay1.yahoo.com (mail-relay1.yahoo.com [216.145.48.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA64137B419; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 13:25:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from DougBarton.net (12-234-22-238.client.attbi.com [12.234.22.238]) by mail-relay1.yahoo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15058B5FF; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 13:25:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C9E4431.2D103001@DougBarton.net> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 13:25:05 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Robert Watson Subject: Re: turning off malloc's AJ by default References: <62766.1016989834@critter.freebsd.dk> <20020324103200.B8262@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David O'Brien wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 12:34:08PM -0500, Robert Watson wrote: > > Hmm. The argument for A is, I think, is a lot stronger than for J, since > > it comes without the performance impact, and you can actually generate > > useful diagnostics. I would be fine with leaving A in the developer > > snapshot. > > Lets back up and clarify RE's goals for the DP#1. Turning off all of our > debugging options and appearing to make this benchmark ready were not > part of what I [thought I] heard at the Kernel Summit at BSDcon. I didn't hear that either, and it's starting to make me a little nervous. It's bad enough that the first DP will be almost wholely unlike what the 5.0-Release will actually look like, now it seems that its value will be further reduced by making it very different from -Current of the same time period. I see two major problems with that. First, it does little good for us to release something to a wider audience if it's not going to be what and how we're actually trying to test. The other major problem is that I really don't think many users are going to stick with the DP versions. When users complain about bugs in the DP's, they are going to be pointed to -Current. Then they are going to have to experience the learning curve anyway. I think a better solution would be to ship the DP's with the same defaults as -Current of the same vintage, and educate the users as to how to remove some of the debugging features. As others have said, this is supposed to be a DEVELOPER'S preview. Until we get closer to something that looks like a release, leaving the bar set a little higher benefits both us and our potential consumers. Doug -- "We have known freedom's price. We have shown freedom's power. And in this great conflict, ... we will see freedom's victory." - George W. Bush, President of the United States State of the Union, January 28, 2002 Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message