From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Wed Apr 20 04:18:20 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C57B0D5DD for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2016 04:18:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-io0-x231.google.com (mail-io0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BEC01978 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2016 04:18:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-io0-x231.google.com with SMTP id 2so40616924ioy.1 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 21:18:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc; bh=n6KLXf6G8FKrcghMuz+orGOVRpgpVeNhIUSc4Josld8=; b=BqLFfOKiR4LTR4pFPe/QMIUBNmhJq7ZsGiqCvDT0QxjrE6GTc4gLcQKToWAnIIOmxw QeOks/LurgG6GsSRHRcsiRWr0G2ta0xxga3bgwaAfMx3su5MlkQma4212Uq7j/Zx8pTX oU5agufZasG4Zqd01bABkG72dEahsn+jeLF1RAXz2dfXTFKrl8a0pDKUTzDS+lMPQ0Z+ JI14OrXzVVS0FYuQ62P+iywYNzeAoRHbpUvGRjYNqHYnIzy8C6q/0idoGk/1saGdtzsc gbPptJTEr9v2m0RQdO16dc2EVLZwpzgFoDjelQqSYxi31ebWhR/YZuSb0A0eUe7Paf95 VNqg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=n6KLXf6G8FKrcghMuz+orGOVRpgpVeNhIUSc4Josld8=; b=m3+Jo78TPD5Sc0xI6ZJOvH0q25QUTxUxFHB/pQgj7b1YD/CZjwmqKHPBT65CjoxfyZ iXI/tQZdqfQ5rXJaFu9chdpR1SDmfEdjbvbt+GEpiYeujCisMKmg0bfpKE03UKwyP6vX bLiEb/L/TBLUamF7JBTG+5FlYV0+5+KeoZA+IiqEV6PccT+zMON91dlFitKzPo0qfXLb NwX2JSt3W62OF4PE3K5ARJaucuwcLgsCbi0c4fXAd+RW9ZUh9u4qSFRmZ06+pVY+2L1l FeN4V2Ql4uyb6tI137r4NlKsAti4h7eTe77pHgj7OCS4of2FNJlDRaDh6JJtvyiGCqE1 RItA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FVRzg+ZIJ5i9Ve5rE2pqIsmLgK0NISHQkkcTItKB6rS2odm9SvxQ5KFc3xwxo1HtY7f9ILWs3zp7y2n0g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.192.129 with SMTP id q123mr7352184iof.197.1461125899395; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 21:18:19 -0700 (PDT) Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 10.79.104.197 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 21:18:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [50.253.99.174] In-Reply-To: References: <76093.1461096570@critter.freebsd.dk> <5716AD65.8070007@shrew.net> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 22:18:19 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: JdnjtY1C0mFhByhMrhHl9SsBR-M Message-ID: Subject: Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8) From: Warner Losh To: dan_partelly Cc: Matthew Grooms , FreeBSD Current Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.21 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 04:18:20 -0000 On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 9:59 PM, dan_partelly wrote= : > > > > > Sadly the tenor and tone of the discussion isn=E2=80=99t one where prog= ress is > > made. The tone has been a bit toxic and demanding, which grinds people > into > > dust, rather than motivating them to fix things. You might call it a > > discussion, but it reads to me more as a bunch of angry villagers > storming > > the castle. No good can come from that. Tone down the outrage by a > factor > > of 100 and try to have the conversation again. > > > > I'm frankly perplexed by this statement. Its seldom I perceived so much > sorrow and bitterness in 6 lines. There is no castle Warner, unless you > want one to exist, one where you can isolate yourself from the indentured > peasants and anything they say. Beyond your thick walls you'll be well > served, > every idea outside your wals will be toned down by a factor of 100 by the > time > it reaches the lord, becoming total agreement with anything the lord > thinks. > > I cant believe I wrote this shit. But then again, I cant believe you just > wrote > what you did. > "I've given your response all the consideration that I think it's due. Please have a nice day." Warner