From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 21 18:30:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CCB3106566C for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:30:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brodbd@uw.edu) Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com (mail-pb0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3B438FC21 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:30:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pbbro2 with SMTP id ro2so2749622pbb.13 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:30:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=ej/h9oWYQEMKBfw+PSS9zuvFyD+jrFqYciE+VTlXAHo=; b=VXn3VaAHSQPxXa9WF+eutfNLLP+X4bo7Jl2gkgq97LA4rUWXN5xEVGoXfRyycGwz0v 06rP5UX5kwaosYqYhJT5kHHFwRG6xOfEe6tP9hMoRf28PNxFdWOWAz/QFFRS/y5wTOaG nbLNwrpgAJmyILJv14+pdfcjB3PuwxXrpiYRMoDSF9+F48KqO9GyYXOH1Ttn/wUHhisj vKtGZEqZ4FhJ8GYzd5Pe+HhJ/xqzVDZzbIHBHcdQlgGviihr1fBQB0ABYAUU5vcqz3Ou 77wVz53xpiKNScImkLTPe56PO4oJiUO7/em5mO8lIWNyxuZlkmfxVdp3C9oZUTW3TYEL ZswQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.230.68 with SMTP id sw4mr709683pbc.142.1340303446591; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.36.202 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:30:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4FDF6177.5050608@unsane.co.uk> <4FDF6586.9060501@gentoo.org> <4FDFB166.2040709@FreeBSD.org> <4FDFB44D.9090308@gentoo.org> <4FE0ADCD.9010109@FreeBSD.org> <4FE0C123.8030301@gentoo.org> <4FE0F773.1080403@gentoo.org> <4FE100F9.2050009@funtoo.org> <20120620073920.GA5300@lonesome.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:30:46 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: Chris Rees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlpsEumqrtx2rYzDkXdhPxLMM/S6cCYGDkUOdvwE523vFksYmTusefvbJxiZhbTUr5HNyof Cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Subject: Re: Replacing rc(8) (Was: FreeBSD Boot Times) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:30:47 -0000 On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 5:13 AM, Chris Rees wrote: > Your arrogance is astounding. > > Did you read man hier? Unfamiliarity does not make it incomprehensible. There's more going on than just unfamiliarity. Earlier versions were unfamiliar to someone used to Linux or BSD, but easy to understand because they were mostly configured by flat files. Modern Solaris has deliberately moved away from this and toward opaque configuration tools that modify stuff you aren't supposed to touch, behind the scenes. It's a bit like Windows that way; it's made it easier to manage if you're doing something pre-configured (like starting/stopping an existing service), but if you want to do something custom you have to do a *lot* of digging to figure out how to make it work. Some of the new stuff (like NWAM network configuration) is not even configurable without a GUI. --=20 David Brodbeck System Administrator,=A0Linguistics University of Washington