From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 20:30:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 441A5106566B for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:30:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthewstory@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7CE38FC19 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:30:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vbmv11 with SMTP id v11so7305258vbm.13 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 12:30:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=B4N4xLb8+Z/HGTNUSsWKAyBTgSnrYDgM/WpwnbSJNAU=; b=Ex9EGPI7FFZxJToyVpKiBsDCmJbMISJXD0fLEIn/RATdNF6cE1NIL5ubupg7I2PXP+ kLGp3AySHM6DLlk6KVgiRywzVhLmNSz0R86eEHFx0jMQViBn/TZwigRkUF7STuZ62Rpz voVi/7THRCUso/MEZoMhINTV7KTy7Bp6/fgbizOOVxU/Qq7dPnqJHondB9SSr351QfzH blgi9yWbe+AQ7E3ODrxJBHMz/lkEne75LEsPBCA4Io5qwBJcOZtedH3c297ti66yOcW4 3BX/6neZ9QU2arDvvhMWhx0xuXnDTQTZqacGHrJp9X+AND8pd2mSesWLrNR67iUrpcsh SvSQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.26.176 with SMTP id m16mr5682174vdg.1.1331152237915; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 12:30:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.93.42 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:30:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20120307175852.7de93d6f.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120307191246.GB2241@ankh-morpork.net> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:30:37 -0500 Message-ID: From: Matthew Story To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 20:30:39 -0000 On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Andrew Gould wrote: > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Benjamin Tovar wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 12:57:46PM -0500, David Jackson wrote: > >> > >> So it seems like a happy compromise here. You will get what you need > >> and us newbies and other users who really dont want the extra > >> trouble of compiling will get our binaries. Everyone gets what they > >> want and is happy, it seems. > >> > > > > Yes, this sounds awfully good, except that I think it is much harder > > than you think. First, some options are mutually exclusive > > (i.e. ncurses vs slang)... so, maybe there are two, or three versions > > of the same package... and again, this sounds awfully good, except for > > the limited and volunteered time of a port maintainer. A happy > > compromise might be then to have binary packages of popular ports, > > which is how we have it now. > > > > Second, and I think this the most important reason, ports put the > > responsibility of the system on the user. They force you to make > > decisions on exactly what software is installed. You want the > > stability and freedom of FreeBSD without this responsibility, and this > > seems very hard to compromise (e.g., macosx and most linux > > distributions remove the responsibility by making all these choices > > for you). > > > > Is this newbie friendly? Probably not. Does it need to be? Well, it > > would be nice if more people use it, but if we remove the > > responsibility from the user, then it would not be FreeBSD, it would > > be something else. (Like Debian GNU/kFreeBSD, which sounds like what > > you are looking for.) > There is a port of apt (sysutils/apt) which you can install, and use to maintain your system via apt repositories. Not sure if anyone is maintaining an apt repository out in the world, for use with FreeBSD. > > > > -- > > Benjamin Tovar > > > > It is not newbie friendly. As a non-techie (CPA), however, I can tell > you that it makes the user a better user; and **that** is a good > thing. Some things are worth doing. > > :-) > > Andrew > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- regards, matt